Car is 2100ish pound Eg Hatchback civic (92-95)
Lets say it has: Sport suspension, streetable performance Tires and a Average to well skilled driver too!
EG W/ an ITR swap?
EG W/ GSR swap?
EG w/ B16a Swap?
EG w/ B17a swap?
EG W/ b20 Jap version swap. ?

 

EG W/ ITR low 14's, high 13's
EG W/ GSR mid-high 14's
EG W/ B16A high 14's low 15's
EG W/ B17A swap... guessin high 14's
EG W/B20 swap high 14's low 15's


[Modified by bretx0r, 5:58 AM 8/19/2002]

 

EH2 with B18C1 should run low 14's... just from my experience.

 

how bout same car with 11:1 comp. JUN III cams, ACT clutch, JUN Ultra Light flywheel in a B16?

 

Should be at low 13's or high 12's

 

Correction.....ITR SWAP , sorry.

 

I'll tell you what my 1992 Si hatch did with 2 different swaps. The car weighed 2289lbs. with full interior, and I ran on street tires.

B18C1: 14.6

B18C5: 13.9

This was at the same strip with the same conditions, etc.

The B18C1 had i/h/e, FPR, and camgears and was tuned to 150whp eith 122 torque.

The B18C5 had only I/E and ECU and was untuned at 175whp and 123 torque.

I've since sold my 1992 Si and gotten a 1992 Cx in which I reinstalled my B18C5 swap. I pulled 13.3@99mph in it with baby slicks at 1100ft. above sea level. It will probably pull 12.9 at the other lower track here in GA.

Everyone will post up totally different numbers because they all run at different tracks and elevations, temps, etc. but here's how the breakdown will go from fastest to slowest:

B18C5
B18C1
B16A2
B17A (160hp at the crank)
B20/B20Z
B18B

This is from what I've seen over the years, and from having owned all 3 B-VTEC swaps. I still have a B16A2 in my girl's 1992 Si hatch. Her B16A2 was not as quick as the B18C1 - it dynoed 143whp and 102 torque.

Some will argue the B20 vs. B16A thing, but I've seen a local B20Z with Skunk2 manifold on an LS tranny get beaten by his brother's less modded B16A swap in the same exact type of hatch.




[Modified by B18C5-EH2, 9:01 AM 8/19/2002]

 

WTF are you talking about?

 

I didn't build my car to beat a SS camaro along with most everyone else here. I built mine to be faster than it was when I started. What fun is it to buy a almost $30k SS (which GM quit making) and say "There!" I built my car myself and I enjoy it, we could give a rats *** what your opinions on the matter are.

 

02 Camaro SS 30k
"**** on Ford" Sticker $4.59
Losing to a 200hp 4cyl in a hatchback with 13'steelies/gutted interior...PRICELESS!
Not to mention FUNNY...SUCKS TO BE YOU...I WOULD LAUGH...YOUR GIRL WILL LEAVE YOU FOR ME...GUY AT GAS STATION PROLY POPPED YOUR HOOD MORE THAN YOU DO....OH YEAH...I MAKE 145 hp per liter while you make like 45 hehe!!

 

well i know a EG with an ITR motor makes 165whp....my old motor made 165whp and i ran 13.8 on street tires....so with a good driver there should be no reason why the car wouldnt hit high 13's....now i have lsvtec (which is for sale) it makes about 200whp and i ran a 13.3 on street tires....
its amazing what you can do to a motor with ALL FACTORY HONDA PARTS

 

Since when are Camaros fast??

 

 

um...when are camaros fast? Are you guys in domestic denial? Just because it weighs more than your little hatch doesnt make it slow.

Stock SS runs mid 13s, if thats not quick,hmm then I'll punch myself in the nuts!

 

Can we please overlook that lame-*** Camaro remark?

Who gives a ****, really?

I refuse to reply to something intended to only start ****.

 

agreed

 

exedy clutch is at 265 shipped currently, clutchcityonline.com

whats wrong with the mugen prog? so it over looks the KS sensor, and runs on the rich side, boohoo. hondata just trying to get the extra $

totaly agreed on the rest

 

actually i saw a stock SS run 12.9 down here in texas...

 

Yeah everyone, sell your **** and buy a SS. I'm sure the $24k, insurance, gas, and upkeep will be nice on the ol wallet. The SS is a very nice car. Detroit finally got it right for once. But look around, lots of people don't care to buy a camaro or mustang, not that there is anything wrong with them it's just they prefer to make a honda fast. My honda is paid for, cost me around $4k so far (including car) and it's decently quick for what I have. Quit bashing people and give some useful advice without the weak comments

 

What do you care what he does with his car....!?

It's not your money... You don't have to drive it...

If he wanted a "factory fast" car, he would probably have one. So, quit acting like an idiot...

 

Ok, I Have been shooting for Cost effective. I found a B17a motor no trans, dist, ecu, for 480, Sold P/S + linkage for 100 profit. so Its like i paid 380 for my engine. It had a blown headgasket, i pulled the valve cover, didn't see rust so I gave it a shot. After dissassembly , it was found to have some lite rust in the cylinder walls, So I had the head cleaned and revitalized. Block needs boring so I ordered Ctr .25mm overbores. No JE pistons because I Wanted TO BUILD, all OEM! motor. so Ctr's it was! My copadres have had good success w/ exedy , Act is good too, i hear but I wouldnt know which stage to get and I didn't want a Harsh clutch.
On the Jdm Itr header, I am sure you have posts of dyno figures. But I was gonna buy a DC header from this one JDM business. But I got talked out of it to a less expensive header. The owner stated that the dc was more expensive and on their dyno tests for that particular application , it lost power as uposed to the Oem itr. He would have nothing to gain buy selling me a cheaper header!!! I got it w/ donut and flange for 435 Shipped!
I can get a chipped p28 for ~ 225. I don't know jack about hondatas and what is involved in tuning them(if that is neccessary) Plus I am fo