For all you guys who want to pre order the flashpro for our cars here you go.
http://www.evans-tuning.com/etstore_...l?catId=283841

 

Not really interested in being a guinea pig on this product. Have most of the tweaks been worked out of the flashpro?

 

I'll wait a year.

 

There won't be much to work out, Hondata has been working on this for years... it's base off of the kpro so you get the same reliability, but with a different platform.

 

that's funny, cuz hondata says that k-pro is a completely different product from the flashpro. completely different /= based off of.

i think it's stupid to preorder something when first off, you don't know all the details on the product, and second off, you don't know how it'll compare to the accessport, its direct competition. if the flashpro is the better of the 2 i'll probably pick it up sometime in '10 myself

 

it's funny how since the 8th gen came out we talked about wanting a tuning solution. now that hondata finally announces something, which from the description is worlds apart from the Cobb product, we are still reluctant to hop on it.

what if hondata had released it with the same "Kpro" name....what then?

 

why should you buy an inferior product if you have a choice to get a better one for a similar price? if hondata was the only one coming out with a tuning tool, then i'd say go for it; something's better than nothing. with 2 similar products coming out with similar prices, i'd say it's worth your time to find out the exact details of each one before spending your $.

 

I'd still wait. No matter how well any company, not Hondata specifically, forms a new product, there will always be bugs to work out.

Yo dirty, isn't like 5am over where you are? Why awake so early?

 

from the initial announcements the difference is flashpro is tunable by the user....the Cobb product uses reflashes created by Cobb for different setups. which would you rather have?

I hear you on that...but i think it's safe to say hondata did a good job creating the product.

I remember way back when Crome was developed....everyone hopped on that ****, including me, and that was created by some random-*** no name person/persons. it worked like a charm.

lol....and I work night shifts dude...I'm always up at this time. I'm actually getting ready to go home now....I work 6pm to 6am.

 

yeah, the accessport will initially be just pre-made maps, but if it's anything like the accessport for other cars, it'll eventually be fully tunable.

 

yeah eventually...why wait when hondata has the answer already.

I don't want to argue...I just wanted to make a point that we've been waiting...honda answered but still the excuses. nobody had problems buying reflahes from them and that was something the user had no part in creating. for all we know this could be the same device they use to make/load all the reflashes they sold and since Cobb announced theirs hondata figured it was time to create some competition.

do what you gotta do but the answer is obvious as to who you should go with.

 

Amen.

 

you know what im starting to think??
that this is a hondata version of the e-manage ultimate or something.
im gonna wait a while on this.

 

preordered mine.. Hondata had posted some vids on youtube which linked on their site. looks promising. will let you guys know how it goes

 

In for full evaluation.

 

i didnt see any videos on youtube

 

e-manage is just a piggyback, correct? how is the flash-pro going to be similar to a piggyback? you'll be modifying the program that's in the ecu itself.

they're there; the links are on hondata's site.

 

^ oh i looked on youtube and not hondata's site. my bad.

well the flashpro looks like a piggyback also.

 

seriously? and the AP looks like what to you?

 

whats ap?

 

accessport

a piggyback modifies the signals going to the ecu to trick the ecu, in order to make it react differently to something than it normally would. the flashpro, on the other hand, modifies how the ecu reacts to the same, unmodified signal. the program inside the ecu itself is changed with the flashpro; that's a big difference from a piggyback. the ap and flashpro both reflash the ecu; they're not piggybacks.

 

Don't you just love how erroneous info is perpetuated?

I agree with you, but my reason is different. Pre order sales are a huge mistake as I have commented in other threads. They set you up for customer backlash when the demand for the product can't be met. Selling stuff you don't have is a mistake, especially a product like this. No one knows how many units will be available initially and I'm pretty certain this thing will go on back order within the 1st 48 hours.

Everything I read on Cobb's website indicates that the AP is just a map loader but a member on another forum told me that there is software that is used to tune with on a lap top and you use the AP to load these user defined maps. It's all rumors until I see something on their website about it.

Well you would be thinking wrong then. Emanage and emanage ultimate are devices that have to be wired into the car. These devices intercept the signals going and coming from the ECU. The Greddy units interpret these signals and manipulates the ECU into doing what it wants it to.

The flashpro reprograms the ECU and communicates via the diagnostic port. Kpro did the same thing except Hondata was able to install the communication hardware onto the circuit board of the stock ECU, something that couldn't be done with the K20Z3's ECU.

 

very much so . people shouldn't be passing off rumors/misinformation as facts.

here's a page with some info about the ms3 tuning tool: http://www.cobbtuning.com/info/?id=4453 . it sounds like the accessport is simply used to flash a map, either premade from cobb or a custom-tuned one, to your ecu. you create the maps using AccessTUNER Pro. i'm not seeing anything about buying an AccessTUNER Pro for personal use; it seems that you have to be a shop to buy one or something (maybe i'm just not seeing it). i guess i misread their website before; i thought that the accessport itself could eventually be upgraded to have the ability to create custom tunes yourself.

if for $695 cobb won't give users the ability to tune the car themselves, then **** that ****. i don't see the accessport being very successful unless either the price is dropped or the ability to tune the car yourself is built-in. i'm really curious as to what options accessport will actually have.

you make it sound like it's a bad thing that flashpro simply reflashes the ecu, instead of having to add another circuit into it and whatnot. i think it's pretty cool; it's cheaper than the k-pro and you don't have to be without a car while hondata modifies your ecu.

 

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What's the problem here?

 

people pre order then when they dont get anything on time start to whine about how so and so does bad business.