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Old May 6, 2009 | 05:28 PM
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I own a 2006 non-VSA Si. All new Si's have the system.

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Is it possible to add VSA to my Si?

I know there are complicated systems involved in VSA - like throttle monitors and steering position sensors... but our cars already have electronic throttles and steering.

Looking online here: Honda Automotive Parts
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...-VSA+MODULATOR

...it appears that adding VSA might just be a matter of integrating the modulator assembly.

Is this the case?
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Old May 6, 2009 | 05:34 PM
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Why do u want VSA?

Imo its for a "novice" driver. Get used to how your car reacts without VSA and you should be fine.
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Old May 6, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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I disagree.

No matter how good of a driver you are, as long as you are carrying speed there are unexpected conditions where VSA can be paramount (ie. coming across black ice, oil slicks, or wild animals while mid-corner).
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Old May 6, 2009 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Vantage
Why do u want VSA?

Imo its for a "novice" driver. Get used to how your car reacts without VSA and you should be fine.
Easy there Michael Shumacher. I doubt even you, on dry pavement push the car hard enough for the system to intervene.

But OP would definitely benefit from having the system on snow covered roads if he is in an area like that. VSA is not just for dry weather performance handling. I agree it should be off while doing spirited driving.

Those systems typically react much faster than humans can. Try your car on snow covered roads with the VSA on. You get braking to single wheels. Even if you have great skills you just simply cannot send braking power to single wheels if you wanted to.

Technology is your friend sometimes boss.
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Old May 6, 2009 | 06:21 PM
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it would be different if we had traction control, but all vsa does is brake the wheel that doesnt have traction. TY of 06 si with no vsa, no speed limiter and no stupid tire pressure sensors.

NO TY to VSA. i like not having to turn it off every time i start the car, that would be so annoying.
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Old May 6, 2009 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MiX
it would be different if we had traction control, but all vsa does is brake the wheel that doesnt have traction. TY of 06 si with no vsa, no speed limiter and no stupid tire pressure sensors.

NO TY to VSA. i like not having to turn it off every time i start the car, that would be so annoying.
Actually you do not understand VSA at all.

It does not simply just brake the wheel that does not have traction as you put it. If you are in an understeer situation the system will actually send braking power or attempt to momentarily lock up the outside rear wheel to induce oversteer and counteract the understeer. This in effect is the same at jerking the ebrake for a second except in a much more controlled manner. That is something even a skilled driver cannot do with out the intervention of wheel sensors and computers and additional solenoids at the master cylinder under the hood.


And can apply brakes to only front wheels if needed to reduce oversteer.

It utilizes steering input sensors, 4 wheel speed sensors, yaw sensors and throttle input sensors......Pretty sophisticated if you ask me
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Old May 6, 2009 | 06:43 PM
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And if the wheel has no traction, why would braking at that wheel do anything at all?

Enough from the peanut gallery already! haha...Suck my turbo friends!
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Old May 6, 2009 | 08:39 PM
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vsa is pointless. i drove my si all winter and anytime it snowed i'd turn it off. i like having control over my car; the computer won't always do what the driver wants it to do. if your car doesn't have vsa you're not missing out on anything.
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Old May 9, 2009 | 09:33 AM
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vsa has saved my *** before when someone cut me off
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Old May 9, 2009 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ajpturbopittsburgh
Easy there Michael Shumacher. I doubt even you, on dry pavement push the car hard enough for the system to intervene.
I've had my system kick in all the time on dry pavement... and I won't be the first to say that it sucks when it does.
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Old May 9, 2009 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mugen_fit
vsa has saved my *** before when someone cut me off
I also had it come on doin 85 in the fast lane on I69 when i blew a tire. I belive it helped me out, i like that i can turn it off and on to.
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Old May 9, 2009 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by vladd
vsa is pointless. i drove my si all winter and anytime it snowed i'd turn it off. i like having control over my car; the computer won't always do what the driver wants it to do. if your car doesn't have vsa you're not missing out on anything.
It may not do what the driver wants, but it may also do what the driver needs.
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Old May 9, 2009 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by K5^
It may not do what the driver wants, but it may also do what the driver needs.
Pretty similar to what I was thinking.

Remember, if the VSA kicks on at all, it most likely that you did something stupid, or pushed the car beyond it's (and your) abilities. The fact that you got yourself into the mess to begin with might mean you wouldn't know the proper way to get out of it.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 06:14 AM
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there was a program years ago that was done when things like vsc where first being put into high end cas like the BMW,Benz, ect I beleave it was benz that did it back in the early 80s they parked a car on a steep incline half the incline was ice the other half was dry they had the system turned off and tried to drive up the hill of coarse the car was unable to make it up the hill then the system was turned on and the dirver attempted it again. This time the system applied brakes to the slipping wheels and the car drove right up the hill something that the driver was unable to do on his own. now this was in the 80s where talking almost 30 years ago and look at what has changed. The systems are better then ever. It is great that it can be turned off by the driver when needed but it really does make a huge diff in the way the car drives for someone that has no idea how to correct a slide or gets the car out of shape
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Old May 11, 2009 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 2008fijibluesi
Pretty similar to what I was thinking.

Remember, if the VSA kicks on at all, it most likely that you did something stupid, or pushed the car beyond it's (and your) abilities. The fact that you got yourself into the mess to begin with might mean you wouldn't know the proper way to get out of it.
Even if one did know how to get out of a precarious position, the VSA would react much faster than a person could to correct the car.
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Old May 12, 2009 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by K5^
Even if one did know how to get out of a precarious position, the VSA would react much faster than a person could to correct the car.
Yup...the only time I've ever really thought the VSA was doing more bad than good was when it locked up the brakes when I started to lose traction while driving on black ice. Luckily, I was driving at a safe speed (like 15 mph lol) and I tapped the button and easily regained control. Every other time it has come on, while I was well in control of the car (and didn't really need it), it did what it was supposed to.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 03:51 AM
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i dont know about the vsa on our cars but in my opinion from driving other cars with traction control, it sucks..i felt like i had no control....im glad i have an 06 fg2
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Old May 17, 2009 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by vladd
vsa is pointless. i drove my si all winter and anytime it snowed i'd turn it off. i like having control over my car; the computer won't always do what the driver wants it to do. if your car doesn't have vsa you're not missing out on anything.
I agree, VSA is pointless if you are going less than 20 in snowy weather lol but VSA has saved my *** on the freeway covered with snow when i was doing 50 and started to drift sideways and almost hit a car while just trying change over one lanes. I was glad to have VSA when I saw quite a few cars had spun out on the freeway including my friend following behind me in an integra
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Old May 17, 2009 | 12:46 PM
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VSA does have its pros and cons, Its pros is that its kind of like safety button to me, its cons is that i cant do burn outs or doughnuts very well

Your guys VSA comes on automatically when you turn your car on? Mines ALWAYS off and i'd have to manually turn it on
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Old May 17, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 07FG2
VSA does have its pros and cons, Its pros is that its kind of like safety button to me, its cons is that i cant do burn outs or doughnuts very well

Your guys VSA comes on automatically when you turn your car on? Mines ALWAYS off and i'd have to manually turn it on

You manually turn it off buddy (especially considering you can read and see the button says "VSA OFF" not "VSA ON"). When the little exclamation point inside the triangle is on your dash, VSA is off.

That'd probably explain why you can't do burnouts very well...because it is actually "on" when you think it's not. It only kicks on when it needs to, such as tire spin (burn out). Trust me...the Si will lights the tires up without hesitation with the VSA off.
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