well on another forum i am in a little debate about why i think ebc with gear/rpm based boost is better than a mbc

some points i brought up are:
able to have lower power to achieve traction in lower gears
able to tune the power via boost for nice tq/hp curve
ability to fine tune power via boost by rpm
can be setup so that if solenoid failure occurs it will run wg pressure (this was a big point for them that they think all ebc are junk and fail and will blow up their motors)
ability with most programs to have 2 maps for street cars so they have a street tire map/boost setup , and one for track with slicks
ability to keep the boost curve flat if the turbo dies off in the upper rpm's


anyone else have any more, or can correct anything i stated incorrectly, this guy tunes evo's and refuses to run a ebc solenoid (when running aem) on any car even though they have traction loss in first or second
people want him to tune honda's but how could i recommend him when he refuses something that i feel is a necessity on a high horsepower car

 

find another tuner!

 

 

X3

 

x4 i agree, but what can i tell this guy to change his mind

if anyone knows dsm's his name is emery or "ricer" i guess he has the fastest stock block evo or something??

 

tell him jeff evans will tune the crap out of your car hes in pa too. or have joel to give me a call if you feel like traveling!

 

You just need "more tire". lol
That was the response to gear based boost.

 

ya i really don't want to make him sound bad, as the guy can apparently tune, but he takes any recommendations as an insult, im more or less looking for a way to show him why boost by gear/rpm is better

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-rXnzDPizw
show him this gear based eg street car driven to work everyday and to and from the track. s300 boost by gear

 

What do you expect from a guy who pretty much exclusively tunes AWD Mitsubishi products? Theres really no problem when you launch with AWD and slicks on all four corners. He blew up that stock blocked evo late last season @ NYIRP missing a shift. It was(is) a pretty bad *** car. Personally, for a setup making any real power, I wouldn't take my Honda to anyone who doesn't have a great deal of experience tuning them in the first place.

 

x2 Figured someone would of said this already, cant have this argument with someone that does not experience massive wheelspin on a regular basis.

 

A "real" tuner is someone who can tune a car regradless of make and model. THe only thing I can think, the said tuner is afraid to venture out of his comfort zone tuning evos, or possible he doesnt know how to tune boost by gear. You have to remember, a monkey could tune an evo and make power.

Id say bring it to a tuner who has a wide knowledge base, not just someone who is limited to one make. Theres no reason he shouldnt be able/want to tune with some sort of boost control.

 

The AEM boost control stuff CAN work great, and it CAN work terrible. It all comes down to setup. My guess is he's tried it and it didn't work well, so he doesn't want to try it again. Either that or he saw it and was intimidated and doesn't want to learn it. Either way, it's priceless for a FWD car, you need it.

 

Tuning boost by gear is the same! Only diffrence is when your done tuning it you tell it how much in that gear/time frame! Same **** diffrent toilet...

 

Exactly what Im saying.

 

If he has already made up his mind theres prob nothing you can do

 

back to my original post... find another tuner.

 

x1000000000000000000

 

I tune both hondas and evos. I wouldn't say evos are any easier to tune than any other particular car, for example, hondas. Its all about each engine and knowing what works. Sure evo motors are strong, but get some one tuning it that doesn't know what their doing and see how quickly the engine gets hurt.

In my opinion a good tuner has to think outside the box a little. My approach for tuning a honda engine is not the same as tuning a evo. And set up at the track is totaly different with both cars. Precise power management is crucial for almost any high powered fwd honda.

Find a new tuner that is more familiar with hondas.

 

Once you go boost by gear you never go back, find another tuner, there are plenty close to you!

 

i was using the aem for boost by mph it always worked good on the dyno but at the track i was getting alot of surging up top didnt figure out but il try again with this next setup

but 1st & 2nd will be either time or gear due 2 tire spin