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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 09:44 PM
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Hey guys, never really posted in the suspension section, and I apologize if this is going to be long, but I want to be as thorough as possible to make it easier on you guys, but please bare with me.

My current set up on my 93 si is:

Tein Flex
Si sway in the front
Asr brace/type r sway in the rear
Omni front/rear lcas
Omni camber kit in the front (I know I know, I'm going to sell them)
BFG g force super sport a/s (if anyone can recommend some really good A/S[car will only see rain in the winter] tires that I can replace the g forces than that would also be much appreciative)

So a year ago, I went from falken ziex 7xx as my first low profile a/s tires, and I loved them, but I was looking for a sportier a/s tire that could handle a little bit better in the rain. Upon browsing tirerack the best one was the BFG g force super sport a/s, and people seemed to say nothing but goods things so I ordered them. Right away I noticed I was rubbing tremondously in the front, but since I work ft and am a ft student, and I was moving in the process. I didn't have time to raise the front of my car, and get it realigned. Lets just say I had to get my front two tires replaced after 3K miles, and I ordered two new tires. Now I have two fresh new g forces in the front, and my rear tires have 3K miles on them. I replaced the front two with the new ones just to break them in faster, and then got it aligned.

Fast forward to this month:
So I just got my car back from having it fixed/parts replaced etc...my mechanic took it to an alignment shop to get them aligned and rotated, so now these are the first time those rear tires are now the front tires(they roughly have 5k-5.5k miles on them). He doesn't know if they adjusted the toe, but I'm taking my car back to that shop on Monday, because I'm having these problems...

My car is super sensative to anything on the road, and especially on the freeway/highway, and not fun to drive right now. For example when on the city streets if I'm just driving and I drive over a pot hole or covered man hole my cars direction will be effected by whatever I drive over. On freeways if there is a dip my car will want to sway one direction or the other, and I have to tightly hold onto the steering wheel to minimize the affect. Earlier today on a freeway junction that I can take easily at 70mph, my car sways through the whole turn not being able to stay in a single crisp/sharp line through the turn. My steering response is still responsive, but now it's just really sensative. When I take it on a junction it's as if I enter the apex with my cars suspenion feeling tight, and then it gets loose, and then tight, and loose again.

I hope I make sense, and hopefully one of the OG's in this section can shed some light on my dilemma. If you guys have any questions that is related to this topic then just ask, other wise I'm not a cheap date. =D

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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 04:38 AM
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Sounds like you have toe and maybe camber issues. You need to get it aligned asap or youll keep burning through tires. My car is aligned with no toe and -2 deg camber in front and it also has a tendancy to pull left or right when going over bumps, cracks, holes, etc. This is a side effect of using wider wheels and tires. If youre looking for more grip youll want to consider summer tires. These are made for mostly dry conditions but can handle rain decently. They will give you much better grip than an all season tire.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by alphalanos
Sounds like you have toe and maybe camber issues. You need to get it aligned asap or youll keep burning through tires. My car is aligned with no toe and -2 deg camber in front and it also has a tendancy to pull left or right when going over bumps, cracks, holes, etc. This is a side effect of using wider wheels and tires. If youre looking for more grip youll want to consider summer tires. These are made for mostly dry conditions but can handle rain decently. They will give you much better grip than an all season tire.
It is aligned "So I just got my car back from having it fixed/parts replaced etc...my mechanic took it to an alignment shop to get them aligned and rotated" and I know that Summer tires grip much better than A/S tires, but I'm not looking for summer tires unless there is a tire out there that can handle the rain pretty well.

Sorry I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but if you read my OP, then you would know that I had it aligned and realigned when needed. My suspension feels splashy if another adj helps out. Thanks for your input though
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 09:53 PM
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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 09:40 AM
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I wouldn't believe he actually aligned it unless you got the printout of the alignment with before and after specs.

If you have that sheet, then post up the before and after numbers.

BTW: The EG/DC suspension doesn't have a lot of caster. This makes the car tramline very easily. That is it will try to follow ruts in the road and the steering wheel will tug in that direction. I notice a large increase in tramlining when I first installed 205/40/16 tires (from 165/70/13).
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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 02:39 PM
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I wouldn't believe he actually aligned it unless you got the printout of the alignment with before and after specs.

If you have that sheet, then post up the before and after numbers.

BTW: The EG/DC suspension doesn't have a lot of caster. This makes the car tramline very easily. That is it will try to follow ruts in the road and the steering wheel will tug in that direction. I notice a large increase in tramlining when I first installed 205/40/16 tires (from 165/70/13).
I'll have to grab the sheet when I go to work tomorrow, but the fact that before my car got stolen, my car was definetely not this sensative. These tires do track or tramline very easily, and very much more than my falkens, but tracking isn't the issue right now. It's the sensativity that is occuring now, but wasn't an issue before my car got stolen. Thanks for your input.
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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 94eg!
I wouldn't believe he actually aligned it unless you got the printout of the alignment with before and after specs.

If you have that sheet, then post up the before and after numbers.

BTW: The EG/DC suspension doesn't have a lot of caster. This makes the car tramline very easily. That is it will try to follow ruts in the road and the steering wheel will tug in that direction. I notice a large increase in tramlining when I first installed 205/40/16 tires (from 165/70/13).
I'm not sure which is the before and after, but based on how the paper was printed, and stapled to the receipt here are my numbers...

Before:
-FRONT-
Camber (Left) -.8 (Right) -.5
Cross Camber -.3
Caster (Left) .4 (Right) .4
Cross Caster 0
Toe (Left) .32 (Right) -.87
Total Toe -.55
Set Back .41

-REAR-
Camber (Left) -1.2 (Right) -1.4
Toe (Left) .04 (Right) -.25
Total Toe -.21
Thrust Angle .29


After:
-FRONT-
Camber (Left) -.4 (Right) -.5
Cross Camber .1
Caster (Left) .5 (Right) .5
Cross Caster 0
Toe (Left) .04 (Right) .05
Total Toe .09
Set Back .1

-REAR-
Camber (Left) -1.2 (Right) -1.1
Toe (Left) .08 (Right) .06
Total Toe .14
Thrust Angle .03

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Old Apr 25, 2009 | 07:32 AM
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alignment looks good. im guessing the thiefs probably beat the hell out of your car.
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Old Apr 25, 2009 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by alphalanos
alignment looks good. im guessing the thiefs probably beat the hell out of your car.
They were pushing my car so much they snapped my power steering belt, and I'm still trying to figure out how they did that..
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Old Apr 30, 2009 | 09:18 PM
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Seems like I got it fixed. Thanks alpha and 94eg for suggestions though.
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