Hi guys
I ran a thread in the 92-00 civic forum and got some pretty dang good help
however i was still told to ask on this forum to see whats the best bang for the buck these days

I want to add a little more to my b16
its stock with the basic i/h/e
password carbon intake
stainless steel replica w/ 2.5 collector
2.5 exhaust to vibrant flat black

anyway i want to get some head work done i want the best bang for the buck

I understand that i need to tune and all that but i want to hear from someone who has actually done it, whats the best way to get what i want

simply i want more power, im not looking for anyhting crazy trust me
i would deff like some bottom end
whats are the best choices?

cams? skunk 2 pro 1(common choice), blox, itr??
valve springs and retainers?
intake manifold? i was told that blox intake is the same as the skunk2 pro is this true?
tuning options? my buddy ran chrome and wasn't so happy with it

i've seen a lot of disucssion about different things im asking
but id like to draw it down to one conclusion
im level headed and i understand money needs to be spent, time needs to be dedicated, and tunning must be done

thank you for all your help!

 

get rid of the password intake and replace it with an AEM style cai or similar make. Get rid of the hytech replica header, they tend to cost you power on a b16a. There are a few other replica headers floating around that would be a better match. If you're going to actually pay someone to do the headwork PROPERLY, check out someone like Combustion Contraption. After that I'd use skunk tuner series, stage 2 cams, blox b, or BC 3 cams. The blox intake is the same as the original skunk manifold, not the pro series. Use whatever springs and retainers that match the cam.

 

check out this guys work... www.cccylinderheads.com pm me if you need some more info

 

thanks

 

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does this mean all three of those cams are comparable? and blox has a competiton and tuner series as well?
also im assuming that the pro series manifold is better?
are itr parts comparable to these?
thanks

 

Blox is a copy of Skunk 2 parts. If you can understand that, you'll understand how "comparable" those parts are.

 

The only way you are going to bottom end power is p&p valve job and some nice bottom end building... you want torque, right? well high lift cams are not going to do that for you... they will raise power in the upper power band...
I do suggest getting the cams blox are great and, correct me if I am wrong, I heard that they were skunk2's budget line. (same sh** different brand name to appeal to both ends of the aftermarket scene) but the best way to get more bottom end power is to stroke the motor or bore it over... and higher comp pistons... but if you want free bottom end power pull out your ac and power steering. and go to inlinefour and buy one of their machined crank pulleys

 

all ignorance aside... i fully understand what you mean 00red_siR
however it didn't answer my question on the intake manifold
you said the blox is the same as the original and the pro is not
you left it at that, does this mean teh pro series manifold is better?
and as far as cams do i want the competition series or tuner?
thanks again

 

i understand this too
this is my main objective but to put my head back together im just verifying the better stuff

thanks

 

You can make 15-20hp on your standard HONDA b-series without touching the bottom end. This would entail: 3" intake w/ velocity stack, bigger TB, ported manifold, ported head, camshafts/valvetrain. This same package on a "built" bottom end could see 25-30hp.

 

Or in my case, 60hp.

 

I always go conservative in my estimates, its good business. Under promise, over deliver.

On another note, they should add something to the forum software so the word "best" is filtered from being in topic titles. Like, you would try and create a thread called "best intake" and hit submit and the next screen would tell you that you're not allowed to use that word in the thread title because "best" is subjective, and then the system would tell you to do more research before posting.

 

I like that idea.

 

Correct. If you were to glance at the Skunk2 website, it would help explain this. I'm giving you information to go on to help you find this easily found information.

If you got my meaning that Blox is a copy of Skunk (it is NOT the same company) you would know that Skunk offers two series of cams, the "Tuner series" and the "Pro series". Blox offers the "competition" series and the "tuner series"...have a look at both of their cam lines and see if you see the correlation...

It might seem like I'm being secretive but this information you're asking for is all well known in the forum and can be figured out by doing some searching around and checking out their websites. I'm simply encouraging you to do a little more homework.

 

Have you ruled out stepping up to a b18 block?

 

In my opinion, the "best" option would be a B20 Block swap...If funds permit, RS pistons...For what 7 or 8 hundred bucks?
Block Swap.

 

in all do respect doing my homework is exaclty what im doing, i dont understand cam lines or any numbers relating to cams thats why i started this thread to broaden my mind on these types of things
that way when i do research them on the websites its not like im reading chinese
excellent help though

 

no i have not
i am taking the time to learn about the head stuff
then if i come across a good gsr block in the mean time ill pick it up
patience is the key to me here
i dont want to rush it because i dont know enough abotu building my top end yet and also i haven't came across a good gsr block i've wanted

 

i dont want to b20vtec or lsvtec
ive always read in discussions that b20s cylinder walls are too thin
i have access to plenty of salvage cars, im waiting to come across the right one for the gsr block

 

Too thin for some serious boost maybe, but for an NA setup? This is a myth that will not die.

 

lol okay then
i really dont know thats why im here to discuss and learn

 

This didnt sound to me like you wanted to discuss and learn, it sounded like you had your mind made up already. Anyway, a stock bore sized B20 block will handle enough NA power for what you are looking to do and is a good choice if you dont have the money to sleeve an LS block.

 

wouldn't it cost more once i bought the ls block, to sleeve it
and i dont have enough knowledge of the lsvtec to be able to do it, and do it right.

 

hey if you really wanna do ls/b20 vtec then i promise you if you search on here and google or other honda forums then you will find multiple guides on how to do ls/vtec the proper way. I ran into atleast three when i was reading up on it, and i mean complete walk through from start to finish to the finest little detail. Im not trying to sound like a dick just letting you know that if you set your mind on something the knowledge is out there. gl