I have an LS with 201000 mi on it. I want a nice motor and i don't no if its worth it to try and hook it up. I would be satisfied with it running low 14s. real low ha. I'm also not trying to drop a bunch of money into it. give me your thoughts

 

I think VTEC is over rated and really like my LS, but VTEC deffinitely still has its advantages. You would probably need some aftermarket cams or pistons to achieve low 14's. With that many miles you're looking at a full rebuild and some good aftermarket parts to reach your goal. Probably cheaper to go on H motors and order up a new engine and some bolt-ons.

 

yea i agree i just am a N/A guy. im into circuit racing. Straight line is boring ha and turbo has to much lag for turns. personal opinion.

 

Easiest way to get power is turbo. I loke n/a but you can boost a stock ls wit some bigger injectors, a good kit, and some tuning.

 

build it!!!

You can make a lot of power out of it on a budget and low 14's isn't hard to reach if you know what you are doing... if you want to keep it n/a get some OEM P30's with .25 overbore shot peen the rods and get the block bored and honed it will cost about $250 at any machine shop then buy some OEM bearings and search craigslist for b16 or any b18c oil pump then replace your valves and springs and get some nice cams... you can do this for $1500 max if you build it yourself then get a b16 trans and swap in your ls fifth and final and bam there you go a nice high comp racer on a budget then for a few extra bones you can do underdrive pulleys and a good header and testpipe/high flow cat with a good intake and that will be good for a good 15-20 more hp to wheels with this setup

 

Then if you want to be adventurous go to the oldone.com and read his article on porting and polishing your head on your own... if you do this I would suggest getting a donner ls head just in case you mess it up... but trust me you can make it fast with no problem... find a tuner and take some weight out of the car and you are set...

 

If you're actually going to circuit race your car I would definitely go with a swap with VTEC considering you'll be turning high RPMs throughout the whole race. Torque (although still important) doesn't matter as much on a circuit as it does on a drag strip. You just need to make sure you're geared correctly so you can stay in VTEC most/all the time.
Good luck doing all that ^ work for $1500 bty. I do all my own work including head porting, but between machine work, parts, hardware, and gaskets there is no way $1500 will cut it. A full LS build or an engine/trans swap will probably about equal out money wise, the LS build might turn out to be a little more, but for circuit purposes I would go with the swap. Comes down to preference I guess.

 

First off he said he wants low 14's... and that would be an extremely small circuit...

Second: Oem Pistons and rings $289, shot peening $24 bore and hone $250 complete valvetrain (valves springs etc..) $575 and $400 for blox cams... total = $1538...

now if you kept it 81mm bore you could do the honing yourself for $65 and save even more...

Do the work yourself and there you go a nice budget build

Oh I am sorry add $200 for new bearings and misc seals so you are at $1738 if you get the block machined and $1553

This is assuming you have I/H/E already... this would definetely be a good build and as a disclaimer it was stated that this would be just the rebuild cost...
not included is tuning costs but that varies any way so I would say that if you are up to it this would be your best way to go

 

you can drop like 10 grand on an all motor and get really nowhere..and as far as lag it depends on what turbo you get..but i would say just slap a turbo on ur ls..best bang for your buck!

 

so hes just gunna spend 2 grand on a pretty much a stock rebuild??**** you can buy a turbo kit for that much and be in the 13's

 

just swap it too a gsr. You can get complete swap for around 1200

 

Get a swap. With an LS motor you will be spending a lot of money just to make it run a little better than a GSR.

 

Go turbo, if you do it right you will never go back.

 

yea like i said im into circuit racing and as far as the low 14s comment that was just a reference to the amount of power im looking for. also "orangeteggy" would like to know where you say you can buy a full GSR swap for $1200. Ive never heard of that at least not online maybe a privet sale maybe. I actually have a new turbo kit but its an xspower (ebay) turbo kit and im trying to get rid of it. i just got it cuz it was a mad good deal.

 

Yeah where can you get a $1200 GSR

 

anyone who finds a nice GSR full swap for $1200. let me no haha.

 

Well being that you quoted what I wrote I would assume you read it... now assuming he has i/h/e and does what was stated that will spank any $2000 turbo build you could muster up and put a lot less strain on the motor...

Forged pistons: BAD FOR DAILY USE!!!

so a high reving high compression ls motor will have great throttle response (NO TURBO LAG HERE) be very reliable being that OEM pistons are used to achieve the high comp and the cam will give it a beautiful power band on a budget.

Honda didnt turbo the motors Spoon doesnt turbo their motors and Mugen just now decided to do forced induction on an NSX so tell me why the hell does everyone think this is the way to go? Turbo = pain in the ***!!! Way to much to worry about and on a motor that needs a rebuild it definetly isn't worth it if you want to not spend another $2000 + next year when you finally blow your rings and you have to rebuild the "snail"

Oh yeah and Honda just now decided to do a turbo k motor in an SUV (and it is no better than a SAAB setup designed for fuel economy not racing)

 

very very well put "hondatom87" haha. and yes this is my daily driver partially the reason im not going turbo. too risky.

 

Thank you and as soon as I am done with my rebuild and I get my b***h tuned I will post pics and show everyone that NA will always be better...

 

werd life. yea id like to see it i wanna get ride of my turbo kit so bad. its shitty and i could use that money

 

if u would drop 10 grand on your n/a LS motor and not go nowhere u got a problem... and that saying to much but your right about the turbo it is the best bang for your buck but it does put alot of stress on your engine if it going to be a DAILY DRIVER. but it is going to take alot to build an LS I know i am. if u have enough do the swap and then u can move up from there well good luck and im still working on getting it low 14

 

true i missed that. If i drop ten grans into an ls im pretty sure id be in the 13s at least. Ive seen an integra with a gsr motor that just had the usual bolt ons and an intake manifold. it ran 14.3. so total it probably had like 185 hp tops. ten grand would give me over 185 bhp im pretty sure. correct me if im wrong.

 

10 grand and you can have a 300 + hp ls motor... go to bisimoto.com and see how much power he puts down with single cam no vtec f series motors

 

does anyone take into account weight reduction? take off the power steering the ac and get an inline four machined crank pulley... then a light weight flywheel... also gearing and driver are probably the two biggest things when it comes to drag racing

 

haha ten grand defiantly get you places. these turbo junkys are funny