Up untill yesterday i was set on getting a zc engine for my car. But i decided not to. Even after saving up all the $$. Cause there is know one i trust working on my car around here. and everyone i have talked to said they had a lot of trouble getting there zc to run right (wiring probloms)
So what i am going to do with the money is durn my 1.6 sohc engine into a monster. i plan to bore it out, put in new pistons,rings,valves,springs,and cam. Then put on some nice bolt ons. Like a fuel rail,injectors,cam gear. headers.
With that stuff i should get just as much power that i would get with a zc.

How much of an overbore should i go on my cylinders??
any of you guys have an estimenton what it would cost for just, an over bore, new pistons,rings,valves,springs,and a cam. My budget is about $1500

 

or.... BOOST!!!

 

BOOST!! would be great mabey i will do that later. I need pistons now though cause i am burning oil on all four cylinders

 

definatly boost

 

Just spend 400-600 on a sohc vtec motor. It has the same hp as the ZC, and they are newer.
I wouldnt bother with rebuilding an engine, too many problems occur. Around here boring/honing is 8 bucks a cylinder, so itll be around 65bucks. And youll spend tons more on new parts,gaskets, more machining work, etc.

 

Does that include the $500 he would need for engine mounts?

 

he won't need mounts with the z6. I would suggest the z6 also and the get a turbo to tide you over till you get a b series.


[Modified by excitid, 5:58 AM 8/15/2002]

 

Really? You would suggest a Z6 over a ZC when they both cost around the exact same? Hmm makes me think...

 

how in the world do you mess up the wiring for the zc... some dumb people doing **** they think they can do.

 

i'm curious how the wiring could be messed up? maybe if they went from a DX to Si wiring, but still that is incredibly simple. i'd say get the ZC and build it up, as its a better starting block to build from. buy a bare block for relatively cheap, build it strong, and use it while keeping your current engine so you have something to drive. don't let people say the ZCs are difficult to work with and whatnot, as hundreds of people seem to have no trouble at all with them.

 

zc's aren't difficult...they're just crap...a well swapped z6 can walk all over a zc...go z6 IMO

 

if you decide to go boost on your a6 motor, then you will want to pick some low compression pistons. this means your car will run slower all motor in the mean time.

as for the ZC, it is not hard at all to swap in, especially when you have the Si model. its like 2 freaking wires. not hard at all. learn to drop the motor in yourself and have the confidence that is was done right.

as for zit's last comment, what the hell does "a well swapped z6" mean? i didn't know there was a rating on how well you can swap a motor. :confused:

 

I am curious as to what exactly makes the ZC crap. My guess is the D-series motor is pretty solid considering Honda used it for 16 years.

 

Nothing makes it crap. There are just a ton of ZC haters in this forum. Most have never had one or never driven a car with one.

 

Go with the Z6 swap...

After running a B15 head (long story) then swapping to Z6. There was a vast improvement in performance. It really helped in the top end the most, however mine is sc'ed...

Then get a P28 to to finish it up... Going with a APEXI, ect... will not really get you the full performance of the stock ECU. When comparing the fuel MAPS between the P6 and P28 there very little changes. However it's when you get to the timing MAPS, where the "major" changes take place. Sooo, being able to change your injector pulse width, is really not addressing the real problem, as far the timing goes...

Anyway do what you want with your car, it's your time and $$$$...

 

The thing is... if you're not going with the ZC because you are afraid of not getting it in there correctly, the Z6 is without a doubt a more difficult swap. Depending on how you do it, it will involve wiring, manifold chages, etc etc... again, depending on how you do it. The ZC the easist swap you will ever do in a 4th generation car besides a direct replacement swap (A6 for A6, etc).

I don't want to turn this in to the weekly ZC sucks or Z6 sucks battle, but if you're making your decision based on difficulty or worrys about swap ease... go with the ZC. It is very easy.

 

I can attest to that... god what a wiring nightmare to get my Y8 running!

 

i got a zc in my 91 hatch si, and loooovvvvviiiinnnn it

 

i want the zc bad but i can't find anyone to do it. I want to find a shop with insurance and i can't. I talked to one guy and he said he did a zc swap on a 91 si and it took him 4 months to get it to run right. that is what i am worried about. I need someone who has experince w/ hondas and can to it in like less than a week. I will look a little more for someone who can do it but i don't think i will have any luck. Do any of guys know anyone around Ohio?

 

I have a SOHC Vtec in my 89 hatch(not z6 it's a D15b7. A JDM SOHC Vtec) And I swear it's the little engine that could. That thing pulls hard! My buddy has a ZC in his hatch and the power is similar. I have to admit his accelerates a little faster but mine pulls hard at the end of every gear. It probably makes a difference because I still have my stock Dx tranny but as soon as we hit the end of 2nd gear I start pulling past him. And by third gear I'm gone. But it's all up to you. I was going to get a ZC for the longest time, But I figured I could get more performance out of my single cam. But I wouldn't recommend builing your stock motor, it would just cost way to much to keep up with everyone else. Whatever you choose good luck!

 

I've driven both and I seem to like the ZC because it seems to have more raw power, whereas the sohc didn't really seem to pull as hard as the zc till vtec.

They both put up the same fight.

Its all about preference.

 

talk to therealciviczc who posted above. he is in ohio.

 

Yeah, I'm in central Ohio. I'm in Dublin now, but moving to Grandview soon. If the person you talked to was in Ohio, I think I might know who it was. If by chance we're talking about the same person, his swap took a few months because he completely half assed the entire thing **.

I'm no rocket scientist and my ZC swap only took me about 1 1/2 days.... at the time I had never done anything more in depth than brakes, oil changes, and bolting an exhaust on. You could literally do this swap in an afternoon if you have a car that comes apart with ease. That part took me about 1 1/4 days!!

Like I said before, this is one of the easiest swaps you'll ever do. You don't have to add any wires, or change anything on the motor. The ONLY thing that you need to do is the distributor wiring which only involves changing the shape of the plug. The wires are all there, and they're even the same color as the ones that you're matching them with.

** So back to that person who took months. If its the same person I know, which its doubtful but possible since we're both in Ohio... to give you a scope of how poorly he did his swap.. he called me at one point, told me it wouldn't fire, and then asked me if it matter what wires went to what on the distributor. He had blue wires matched up to white, etc etc.... he also had the cam angle sensor completely disconnected because the wires wouldn't reach. He didn't have an engine lift ready, he didn't have needed parts, he basically had a 3/8" drive socket set, and he didn't do anything thouroughly at all. He finally took the car to a shop, moved out of the state, and occasionally came back to see if it was running. The shop had no idea what they were doing, they bought him a Napa distributor since he suceeded in frying something when it was wired totally wrong, but the Napa distributor had different than stock colored wires, so then no-one knew how to wire it. I had long since washed my hands of the entire thing, or I... or a retarded monkey with a screwdriver, would have been able to get it to run in 20 min. The problem was that the dude was cocky and ungrateful and expected favors, so no one wanted to help him.

So that's my novel about why swaps sometimes take months...

 

Hey therealciviczc It would be sweet if you could do my swap where is dublin? I am in Seville, in medina county, how for south are you from me? If it isn't to far i would drive down there in a second. I have $1200 right now i figure that should be enough for the swap. If you think you would have time to do it e-mail me
Pantbaii@aol.com
It would be great if you could.
By the way the guy i was talking about works at Chesrown Honda in medina.

 

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