What's the best racing header to get that sounds really good and has high rpm?

 

prepare to get b*tched at. be more specific. what price range? why have good power up top if ur mid range sucks?

 

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1st one to do it lol

 

stock, painted chrome

i swearz

 

Depends on what the car is for. Why have mid range if its a drag only car ? Why have top end if its an autox car ?

 

whats the best all-around street header? I was thinking the TriY or RMF.. I want something with a strong Midrange ..

 

TriY? You're throwing a Replica in with RMF? Shame :nono:

Best custom made Headers are SMSP, HyTech, and RMF. But I don't know if RMF is still in production.. I thought he quit making them a while back...

The other decent off-the-shelf products that will preform pretty well also.
There are a lot of headers out there today..

 

I was talking about the RMF knockoff as well... money's tight these days!

i'm still rocking DC.. thinking about getting the triY if there were more positive reviews. There was another thread about the RMF replica that could fit a 4th gen with modifcation to crossmember or just better yet, get a traction bar and it will fit.

I think the thread should be.. whats the best racing header for around 500...

 

Oh ok.

There's Camp1320, ESP.. More that I can't even think of right now..
GReddy with 2.5" Mod..

 

Ya i was thinking a Greddy My price range is spending around 500.00

 

For $500, I'd look around.. There's many other Headers around the same price that'll probably perform better.. Consider the GReddy will probably need a 2.5" Collector Mod.

ESP's making for for that price shipped that looks like it performs pretty well.
http://www.explicitspeedperformance....2Aheader1.html

 

the best header is one which is made custom for your particular engine setup and goals.

this does not mean a hytech, smsp, ssr, rmf or any of the others.

there is a difference between buying a so called custom header which has been designed for a broad powerband for the majority of engine setups out there vs a header designed for your exact application.

a true custom header designed for you and only you will outperform anything else, especially in a racing application.

call Burns Stainless, they will tell you exactly what YOU need for a small fee.

 

they can all make a header designed for the engine and modifications

 

they can but dont for the everyday customer.

if you built custom headers, would you start from scratch for every order?

or would you design a header that works well for a broad range of applications, then make a jig for that header. this is how its done.

trust me, nobody will design a jig for a header which wont be useful for midrange no matter how much peak power it makes because 75% of customers have street cars and need midrange.

and nobody will design the ultimate midrange header because the peak numbers just wont be there on the dyno, then their headers would be crap to everyone who looks dyno numners.

trust me i have gotten involved in the header game and have learned plenty to know, these custom headers arent custom for each application.

i just made my own header after hearing too many contradictions from too many custom manufacturers. my homemade header is designed specificly for my application and mine only. and i will GUARANTEE it to make more power where i need it to than any hytech, smsp, rmf, or ssr that i would have been sold supposedly for my application. and trust me when i tell you because i actually purchased one of the forementioned headers and decided to cancel the order after finding out some interesting facts.

my header helped me make over 300whp w/o any headwork using a 95mm stroke and 89mm bore w/ only 13.5:1 compression.

you think i could have done that by bolting on a hytech or smsp??

you would be sadly mistaken

there is alot more to the header game than 90% of you guys know or would want to know.

the op asked for the best for his application. the answer is to go w/ a third party (burns) for a design and have anyone build the header to those specs. you want the best, you got it.

 

lets not bring your motor into the equation as it appears you dont have a "normal" engine. What i am suggesting is that the people we have quoted will know the speed and distance of travel for a certain lift and flow of a head or at least will have enough experience to know how long the primaries need to be and how long they need to be just be knowing where someone want to make power, what kind of cams they have, and what CFM the head flows. Not only that, but the ability to know when the intake is bottled up (say a stock intake manifold with a fully built motor and someone wants a header built to that spec) and to reform the header around "problem" areas. It can be done. And all it really takes is knowing how far a pulse travels and how fast it is traveling. Its just a little math. This "little" math is obviously something beyond what i am honestly interested in knowing so i will leave it at "these people" in knowing what is best for me because it is what they do on a daily basis.

i'm going to take a quote from don and turn it around

if you trust your fabricator, do not second guess him.

who is to say one person is the best? that sounds a bit naive, regardless of what i KNOW you have been through.

 

I like the controversy that's been started over this

back to topic, Lets assume the custom route like NAH2B was saying, is definitely the best choice when choosing the 'best street' header for your application. Which makes sense, how many of these guys are actually going to go through a machinist to have one built??

Our options with a 500 limit-

ESP - looks like a DC, shows nice gains but their Dyno seems like Ifffy to me..

Vibrant - everyone seems to like these with nice gains but not sure if they still make them anymore for H22?

Greddy 2.5 collector.. Nice gains, nice looks but who wants to modify a 400$ header to make it perform well?

Tri-Y - Hytech replica... excellent design so far, good price, 11whp gain over stock un tuned, crossmember needs notched but other than that

RMF Replica - designed for swapped cars (civic h22) needs crossmember notched, really needs traction bar, 4to1, significant upper gains

 

ESP looks like a DC?? Most all headers "appear" the same..

But measure the primaries, secondaries, collector (Obviously no needed for this one), I'm sure they're different..

Most headers on the market have the same overall design with 4-2-1 Headers.. Even SMSP's 4-2-1 looks like the others.. It's not the appearance that matters..

But I understand you other issue.. Other dyno tests need to be done by other parties.

 

so now my motor isnt "normal"

does that mean i somehow got my hands on a magical h22a which was designed differently from all others by the jdm underground?

or could it mean i have been aquiring enough knowledge over the past 12 yrs. to actually know what im doing and talking about?

my stock motor made more power than your built h23vtec

why? because i KNOW what combination of parts work the best together and the correct way to assemble an engine for maximum performance.

there are a TON of tricks which you simply wont learn until you spend years at the track and building engines. it helps that i have the resources to work w/ some of the best machinists in the country and have been around racing for a very long time. it also helps to have one of the best tuners available.

have you ever built a header? because i have and i did it for several reasons which you obviously dont seem to want to be aware of.

i work w/ guys who build headers, engines, and chassis for 6 second pro-mods everyday. i am at the track racing and hanging out w/ some of the fastest import racers in the country. i built my car from the ground up and designed my own motor program which met my goal of breaking 300whp w/ NO HEADWORK.

and shortly i WILL hold the record for the fastest street allmotor H series in the country.

what have you done lately?

i am learning everyday while you moderate an internet forum lol

and i share information w/ anyone who asks for it unlike alot of other racers you will meet. why? because the sport needs as many competitive cars/drivers as it can get at the moment and keeping people in the dark about how to make power wont help.

if you would like some help on straightening out your h23vtec build, just ask. you really dont have to throw boost at it to make decent power. plus throwing boost on top of an already poorly performing engine will only cause more problems.

btw, as for your quote. i am my own fabricator. when i need a part, i make it from scratch. including the exhaust and intake manifolds. including throttle linkages, engine mounts, fuel cells, suspension components, chassis components and just about anything else you could imagine.

if your happy believing what the header salesman tell you then be my guest.

im not saying they dont know their **** or that one is better than the other.

what im saying is the best header for your specific application will not come from one of those guys when you simply call and place an order as a customer off the street.

do those guys ask you what your exhaust port dimensions are when you order...NO

do they ask what your peak rpm will be and what your useable rpm will be?

do they ask at what rpm you want your tq to peak?


you want to know why they dont ask? nah im sure you think you already know

 

The ESP Does look very similar to the DC.. not that it matters if it's making good power you can tell by the measurements I'm sure it does make solid power but their Dyno seems false to me. over 200whp on a stock h22 just seems hard to believe when most people have all bolts on and can barely make it to 175whp, I myself being one of those.

I really like the Tri-Y's design and what people are saying about it (Kronn)

NAH2B, any advise then for a guy with bolt ons with a internally stock jdm h22 wanting to hit 200whp?

I'm dying to get rid of my DC I hate this thing and everything about it. Did the collector mod and I still hate it.

 

jsut then you explained already why your engine is not normal, thus the reasoning for me saying what i did.

when did my engine start performing poorly? lol

i do believe it went 13.4 while granny shifting and grinding 4th.

you know what your last words to me were about this site? do you really want to pull the PM's out when you said you were going to leave this site and not post anymore tech because obviously h22squad is just so cool and where you are posting are your cool hip info. I have my own info that i post and its only a click away to see where i put it all.

moderating, lol. I dont even have time for that mess anymore and ive asked twice to be removed yet here i am still. Working 70 hours a week between two jobs so i can pay bills and have my fun at the same time.

The supercharger is just a project to test my tuning abilities and to show people how possible it is....not to make it perform better although i already know it will.

The car will go 12's on stock cams before i put the blower on, i have records of my own to set, just as you and i could really careless what some dyno says i make at peak rpm. The track will tell me everything i need to know.

And lets not even go into trying to compare dyno sheets because you know and i know that is not possible without being on the same dyno.

so take your hammer back. You dropped it.

 

guys getting off topic pick up your hammers and lets talk about header specs for the street warrior.. your racing experience is needed here::

 

ANY TRI Y stepped header. Super long runners stepped and 4-2-1 that creates high rpm scaveging low back pressure and considerable amount of torque and hp. It so long there is no room for a cat. this design also has the best sound in my opinion. Extremely sharp torque response. Works with almost every setup except of that all out drag racing(4-1 drag style best). I have one on my daily driver and increased 10whp from DC header at 8700rpm and makes power beyond 9000rpm, torque is through entire band (Idle to cutoff), i cannot see my self buying another type. No reason to ever buy a 4-1 when this came on the market. they can be found cheap if you search

 

uhh my motor is normal, its my knowledge and resources thats extra-ordinary.

and yes this forum has sucked ***** since the switch. the search feature sucks and vendors have been screwed over. but please go ahead and post the pm's you mentioned

h22squad is a cool forum simply because its dedicated to ONLY h series enthusiasts. there are alot of knowledgable h series guys on there, but it doesnt get the traffic h-t gets.

i honestly prefer h-t because all my friends and racing buddys visit the drag forum regularly. but h-t has infact sold out w/ the switch to vb.

you say you dont want to moderate, yet you continue to do so. why dont you just simply stop moderating? you act as if someone has duct taped your hands to the keyboard and put a gun to your head.

btw alot of us have noticed how you have become mighty full of yourself and feel the need to be very short w/ your fellow h-t members since becoming a mod. all hail 98vtac, he is the ish

what challenge are you talking about by adding boost to your setup? do you feel it will be challenging for some reason? you do know people run boost w/ high compression everyday as well as spray on top of 13:1+ but maybe it will be a challenge to you?

as for dyno numbers, they DO actually tell you ALOT about your motor. and if you dynoed on a dynojet, that would tell me your motor is definately not making the power it should for some reason. now you want to throw boost on top of it as a challenge??

and what record do you plan on breaking? you do know people have run 12's in n/a street preludes already. you just need to get around to tracks outside your state and see what else is out there

i really dont want to argue w/ you. i gave the op an honest answer and you made it sound as if i was incorrect. the only info you have is what has been told to you by the foresaid manufacturers. if you really want to learn something try contacting burns. who do you think these header manufacturers get their specs from? burns will design a header for your motor for 50 or 75 bucks and email you a spec sheet with all the info you need to build it. if you purchase one of their collectors that 50 or 75 goes toward it.

if you can fab it yourself, you can have the best header available for your application in 304 stainless w/ the best collector available w/ a megaphone and reverse cone all for around 700 bucks. obviously if you cant fab, then you have to pay someone to do it which is where these custom manufacturers come in. but they wont use a burns collector and they wont make a special design just for your motor unless you pay more than the usuall 1300 bucks.

anyways im pretty much done speaking on this subject. its not cool stepping on toes and what not. but then again, sometimes its good to put the info out there for those few who would like to try to build their own but do not yet have the knowledge.

hey man, believe what you want. its your world, im just living in it

 

lol ok man.


since you know me so well and all, LMAO. I honestly dont care if people think i am arrogrant, an *******, an idiot...whatever. Just like you, i learn something new everyday with this stuff and running pump gas on 13:1 compression + boost and nitrous? I'd love to see how that worked out. But it doesnt matter. I'm not someone with 12 years of building engines. I'm a fresh graduate of college trying to make my way up the latter in the auto industry and building a high compression motor then throwing a roots charger on there with pump gas will be a challenge for me and a great feature to show my tuning skills to future clientelle.


and for the record, all i said was that the guys above COULD build a header specificially for your engine specifications. NOT that you were wrong. Take a chill pill paco.

just remember that you called me out first here with the retarded statement that my engine made poor power....lol. I dont need your help. I've gone along fine so far without it so im pretty sure i can wing it.

beer for the road

 

guys... its just a honda. try to remember that.