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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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i have a 1994 civic ec coupe. it has the d16z6 motor. the only mod is a pacesetter monza catback exhaust. any ideas for improving the acceleration and overall performance for little money
Old Mar 9, 2009 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GulfCoastEg07
i have a 1994 civic ec coupe. it has the d16z6 motor. the only mod is a pacesetter monza catback exhaust. any ideas for improving the acceleration and overall performance for little money
im just a nub hens the name but i know some cheap performance mod but like how cheap r you talking? did u get headers when u got ur wxaust system because if u didnt u should defff do that no ebay headers so get tha real deal its worth it!.. ship your ecu or maybe even get a better one say a p28..u have p08 right?
ummm yeah if u can find a y8 head for a good deal thats what ive got if u like tha fast pick up then u will love tha y8head its fun eventho mine ****ing runs hot and i cant figure out why ive got a d15y8 4dr 92civic ...ummm using permium gas is always a good idea...performance sparkk plugs and wires...if u wanna know more ill help you out on finding cheap stuff im good at that because im poor as **** lol
Old Mar 9, 2009 | 09:52 PM
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your title is an oxymoron any parts that are cheap are not good and any parts that are good are not cheap lol but just start with the basics intake, header, exhaust but do not expect great HP gains from them you will just get better throttle response for the most part. idc how broke you may be just do not buy e bay parts you will end up spending more money in the long run.
Old Mar 9, 2009 | 10:47 PM
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ummm gutt your interior, and your resonator on your intake box mabey.... lol
Old Mar 9, 2009 | 10:52 PM
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stickers. They add more HP if you don't have the parts that the stickers represent.


Seriously though, performance isn't cheap. Modding a car is an expensive commitment. With car parts you get what you pay for. You cheap out, you get cheaply made parts.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 01:22 AM
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The cheapest mod netting the most horsepower would be a good old dry shot of nitrous! a little 35-55 shot will do wonders... If you do the labor your self it should run you over 375 buckaroos...
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 01:25 AM
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The cheapest mod netting the most horsepower would be a good old dry shot of nitrous! a little 35-55 shot will do wonders... If you do the labor your self it should run you over 375 buckaroos...
yea and then he can pay $40 for the rest of his life every time he wants to fill up the bottle

in the end, it's still not cheap.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 01:35 AM
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yea and then he can pay $40 for the rest of his life every time he wants to fill up the bottle

in the end, it's still not cheap.
You're right... but nitrous hands down definitely has thee best hp/$ ratio when equipped with big shots (75+)!
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 02:26 AM
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go on a diet, lose some weight.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 91blackEF
your title is an oxymoron any parts that are cheap are not good and any parts that are good are not cheap lol but just start with the basics intake, header, exhaust but do not expect great HP gains from them you will just get better throttle response for the most part. idc how broke you may be just do not buy e bay parts you will end up spending more money in the long run.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 03:07 AM
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just please do not use tornado,turbonator,an electric turbo,stickers,some crazy bodykit,a wild wing!

as said before you can gut the car,its all for free and unlike many other mods it doesnt make your car vibrate,use more gas,crazy loud,kill reliability it obviously will add to your mpg,engine,brake and suspension life!

you can dump soo manythings like rear and passenger seats,spare tire and jack,ac,power steering,all paneling,headlining,carpeting,sound deadening,rear and front bumper supports, aswell as running your gas tank low to expect free gains in performance!
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im just a nub hens the name but i know some cheap performance mod but like how cheap r you talking? did u get headers when u got ur wxaust system because if u didnt u should defff do that no ebay headers so get tha real deal its worth it!.. ship your ecu or maybe even get a better one say a p28..u have p08 right?
ummm yeah if u can find a y8 head for a good deal thats what ive got if u like tha fast pick up then u will love tha y8head its fun eventho mine ****ing runs hot and i cant figure out why ive got a d15y8 4dr 92civic ...ummm using permium gas is always a good idea...performance sparkk plugs and wires...if u wanna know more ill help you out on finding cheap stuff im good at that because im poor as **** lol
It's "a header" and even the best of header brands will not make much hp on a stock D16Z6. Also, the P28 comes in D16Z6 equipped cars. Premium gas won't make much of a difference ibn this case as the Z6 is stock, and neither will performance plugs and wires at this point...best bet is to save for a swap of some sort or turbo the car eventually...good luck!

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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 03:50 AM
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just keep your vehicle well maintained

I know its just a d16z6 but im a firm believer in every little bit helps. So why not add intake,header, exhaust, get carbon fiber parts for weight loss. If independent studies have shown added HP,why not?
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Originally Posted by driveslow
just keep your vehicle well maintained

I know its just a d16z6 but im a firm believer in every little bit helps. So why not add intake,header, exhaust, get carbon fiber parts for weight loss. If independent studies have shown added HP,why not?
Doing a tune up and such is a good way to bring back lost hp, I def. agree there. As for the carbon fiber parts for weight loss...they cost too much, and don't shed enough weight to really make any difference...your car will basically lose about 10 - 15 pounds by adding a carbon fiber hood and hatch/trunk. That's the equivalent to running you car on 3/4 instead of Full. Also adding an intake, header,and exhaust will help, but most of the gains shown there are more in people's heads because of the noise increase. I bet at most with a very high quality intake, header, and exhaust you will only get 10 hp at the wheels, and spend over $1,000 doing it.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 05:27 AM
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Our advice all depends on how much you consider cheap?

whats your goal?
whats your budget?
what can you sacrifice?(as in can you do w/o accessories?)
what skills,tools,area do you have(do you rely on a mech to do a swap?)

If you are wealthy enough to spend 1-1.5k and ok with doing a very easy swap than my advice to you would be.

find a crashed ls,rs,gs or maybe even a gsr for that amount.
there are plenty if you invest in researching off the net, you can find some cars from salvage-wreck car sites like impactauto.com or starkautosales.com, they even have theft recoveries there were the car doesnt even have many issues!

one of my friends went to an auction off those sites, it was in some redneck town where old dealer-mech's didnt even value integra's let alone knowing what an gsr was.He got a full 99 gsr that was a theft recovery with only some stupid ignition problem(from the thief) and a hit to the fender for only 2000 bucks(canadian,not even 1600 u.s now) and that was in 2003 when the car was valued 16k and was not even 4 years old with less than 40k miles.I know this is a dream but it is also an example of what is possible for cheap, it doesnt always get this good, but you can always find an ls,rs,gs for dirt cheap from them thats for sure!the same go's for the ls its a much more potent engine than the one you have that can be swaped for cheap the parts he swaped also are swapable off the ls such as;

he swaped the whole package into his eg,everything. the motor,tranny,dash,seats(leather too),the full suspension,the brakes,the blade rims,the exhaust system, and he sold the chasis to a scrapyard for 300 bucks, soo the whole transition was for less than $1400 u.s

remember even though the d16 puts out 125hp and is just 17 hp away from a b18b it still stands no chance against it! the b18b hauls a much heavier car(200-300lbs) through the 1/4 in a 0.4-0.5 sec difference. its got much more room for advancements such as adding vtec later on, it will up the value of your car when you sell it vs a modified d16 eg is still not going to be that great when selling,a b swaped eg always go's for more

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Originally Posted by weavertime1
Doing a tune up and such is a good way to bring back lost hp, I def. agree there. As for the carbon fiber parts for weight loss...they cost too much, and don't shed enough weight to really make any difference...your car will basically lose about 10 - 15 pounds by adding a carbon fiber hood and hatch/trunk. That's the equivalent to running you car on 3/4 instead of Full. Also adding an intake, header,and exhaust will help, but most of the gains shown there are more in people's heads because of the noise increase. I bet at most with a very high quality intake, header, and exhaust you will only get 10 hp at the wheels, and spend over $1,000 doing it.
its all on how you look at things. why not get the carbon parts and run 3/4 tank of gas. Parts for d16z6 are cheap anyway. For example. My stock header has a slight crack, so it will need to be replaced, my exhaust is 13 years old and is rattling intermitently. Why not just replace those items with aftermarket. You can even considering it maintance.

btw, my hood is all dented up and bent on one side and the trunk has rust, good time for carbon!!!
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remember even though the d16 puts out 125hp and is just 17 hp away from a b18b it still stands no chance against it! the b18b hauls a much heavier car(200-300lbs) through the 1/4 in a 0.4-0.5 sec difference. its got much more room for advancements such as adding vtec later on, it will up the value of your car when you sell it vs a modified d16 eg is still not going to be that great when selling,a b swaped eg always go's for more[/QUOTE]

wouldnt that make the eg faster do to power/weight ratio? You said 17hp difference and b18b car being heavier.
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shave the head, or lighten the flywheel at a shop real eay to do and makes a differance
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wouldnt that make the eg faster do to power/weight ratio? You said 17hp difference and b18b car being heavier.

power to weight ratio is not everything, there is many other things to consider when comparing cars like tq,dohc vs sohc,gearing,how linear the power comes,which in result is better with the b18b, besides fact dont lie, and the fact is that the ls runs 7.9 0-60 stock vs the si at 8.56 EVEN THOUGH the power to weight ratio is better for the si!

the b18b has much more tq, has a dohc head,more stroke,much more linear power band etc!

there is an dohc and soch 1/4 mile track time thread in the eg,dc2 faqs section(the old one) find it and look up two exact cars with these engines and youll see a massive difference(as mentioned minimum 0.5 sec)

and to the op here is a good potential of power for cheap as well as an interior,suspension upgrade for your car

http://www.automotix.net/autosalvage...post-1847.html

http://www.salvageautosauction.com/browse.php?id=4

This is from a site Iam a member of,its from toronto(canada) and the whole car is for 3000k canadian(not even 2.5k u.s), its an 01 gsr with its rims,suspension and drivetrain! I hope it doesnt ask for you to log in though!
http://www.gtcars.ca/online/import-v...zing-deal.html

these are just a few examples,
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I was going for weight reduction and gutted my car but I hated the look. I ended putting everything back but the trunk panels and carpet.
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power to weight ratio is not everything, there is many other things to consider when comparing cars like tq,dohc vs sohc,gearing,how linear the power comes,which in result is better with the b18b, besides fact dont lie, and the fact is that the ls runs 7.9 0-60 stock vs the si at 8.56 EVEN THOUGH the power to weight ratio is better for the si!

the b18b has much more tq, has a dohc head,more stroke,much more linear power band etc!

there is an dohc and soch 1/4 mile track time thread in the eg,dc2 faqs section(the old one) find it and look up two exact cars with these engines and youll see a massive difference(as mentioned minimum 0.5 sec)

and to the op here is a good potential of power for cheap as well as an interior,suspension upgrade for your car

http://www.automotix.net/autosalvage...post-1847.html

http://www.salvageautosauction.com/browse.php?id=4

This is from a site Iam a member of,its from toronto(canada) and the whole car is for 3000k canadian(not even 2.5k u.s), its an 01 gsr with its rims,suspension and drivetrain! I hope it doesnt ask for you to log in though!
http://www.gtcars.ca/online/import-v...zing-deal.html

these are just a few examples,
totally spot on. now i need to buy a new engine and tranny, or just wait until the d16 R.I.P.'s
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Take your doors off like a jeep. Removing emblems = to 55 horses, add stickers = 13 horses , get a skinny girl take your tires off for good traction , put a sock on your intake manifold and remove your intake have open headers and eliminate all that piping under the car= 150 hp remove the interior add a milkcrate as your seat with a 50 point seatbelt = 60 hp and the look on your face reading this = priceless. Lol jk dont do cheap crap man treat your car how you treat your girl or wife or your hand. Take car homie
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 07:37 AM
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i treat my car like Chris treats rhianna
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i treat my car like Chris treats rhianna
Did your car give you herpes too? I hate when that happens lol

No seriously i/h/e are the basics I'd do the flywheel after that. it's not too expensive but it takes patience and spare time thats' just my two pennies
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