yea i was thinking about installing a set both the intake and exhaust side will i be safe running them with stock valvetrain if not then i might aswell go with some skunk2 stg1 and supertech springs and retainers this is the stock b16 that comes with the em1

and also i never seen any dyno of a b16 with ctr cams i have heard that it gave them a lil more torque then power

 

it is never safe to run any type of cams (other than stock) on a stock valvetrain. it is just not worth it in the long run my friend.

 

why not just get ctr/itr valve train too? people are selling them for cheap. also, you will need a tune with the skunk2 stg 1 tuner cams because its stronger than the ctr/itr cams. you can run either without a tune but wont gain the full potential. i'm currently running itr cams in my stock gsr w/out a tune, because the cams arent too big so i decided not too. but if i did it will be alot faster.

 

+im also kind of intrested but i was wondering if i would see any improvements from running both rather then just one of them

 

ctr exhaust cam = itr exhaust cam

 

does this partain to my question???????if so i know they are the same but i am asking if it would matter if i changed the intake and exhaust camshaft for the ctr/itr cams this is a b16

will i make more power with both then with just the intake side

 

itr-ctr exhaust cam= more lift and more duration, why wouldnt it make more power than a b16 exhaust cam on a b16.

 

both intake and exhaust ctr cams will make more power than just the intake cam. why do you think honda made them different in the first place...more power.

also, does the b16 have dual valve springs on the intake side? if they dont i suggest you get the ctr/itr valve train too. you can rev up higher, also get the full potential of the ctr cams, because they make power past your stock redline.

 

b16's do have dual springs on the intake side.

 

are you guys sure that the b16 has dual valve springs on the intake side if it does should i replace them anyway since i am at it its only 80 more for the intake side valve springs

 

k now another question is would i need cam gears for them

 

yes i am sure. i personally didnt run duals on both sides on ctrs but it is recommended.
no cam adjustable gears needed.

 

k also will i need that b&m fuel pressure kit thing

also can anyone tell me how much power i would gain from both cams with a i/h/e

 

I have a set of itr shaft and was planning to put them in my gsr too but ,never had the time..does it make any difference after the cams were installed?

 

if you wanna extract the most h/p out of those cams and whatever mods you have, you need to tune the car. that means not only getting a good ecu management system but also getting cam gears and everything else. if you are gonna build the head do it right the first time. trust me once you drive around with the ctr cams you will be screaming for more power and it is better to have your entire head done so when you do switch up cams you wont have to go thru the hassle of taking apart the head.
either way, like i said before, do it right or dont do it at all

 

Jesus....you can run Tuner Stage 1s with stock valvetrain. Skunk2 even says as much. They're not THAT much hotter than ITR/CTR cams...i.e. you CAN run the R cams with stock B16 valvetrain.

If you want to rev the engine to take full advantage of the cams, you need to replace the valvesprings.

If you're looking to save money, buy the ITR/CTR Intake springs and move your B16 intake springs to your exhaust.....VOILA ITR/CTR Valvetrain. B16/GSR Intake springs ARE ITR Exhaust springs.

 

adjustable cam gears for ctr? whats the point unless u have a milled head. honda made the cams to be 0-0 and thats probably how there gonna run the best. dont waste your money unless your gonna upgrade cams later.

 

hey another question is what do you guys think of the crower ctr cams.....please any input on these

 

crower is a respected company

 

you can run the ctr cams on the stock valvetrain. i've had a few buddies who has done that and it ran ok for them. and you would have to get cam gears to tweak them a bit.

 

some of the best cranks and rods in the business. more than a few of us have had their cams break though

 

i used CTR CAMS in my b16a2 with stock valve springs and retainers ... revd it to 8500 with a 97 itr ecu. never had a problem ! revved it for about a year like that then swaped the motor... u should be ok !

 

i do believe you but the question remains. do you loose power due to float this way and do the seats get this sh*t beat out of them from the flutter? i've also seen the ITR swap in a stock GSR head and 8400 from a stock p73 ecu. guy ran it over a year with no issues. however it's hard to say if more power could be gained with more spring and also how much longer the engine will stay together with the right springs.

 

Perhaps. I install the inner springs on the exhaust side whenever I am going to use itr/ctr cams on my car or someone elses. I feel the valve float would be so miniscule that it would not affect HP in any way. If he was concerned about real HP, he would not be using such a mild cam in the first place.

 

i dont know