Whats up Honda-Tech. Liked the forum setup for the S2K. I used to own a b18c1 EK hatch. Broke it cause I was young and couldnt afford parts. haha.lol. That was 4 years ago. I'm now in the US Army; been hoarding my cash and now I've promoted myself to the world of S2K. I now own a 05' AP2. I love its increased torque and smoother changes in the gears over the extra 1000rpms in the F20. Got a couple of ideas but for right now just shooting for a j's racing style S2K. Gonna build the suspension and put a little on the motor. I have one question though........Does anyone know about J's Racing N1 ECU? Considering the company specializes in building these magnificent cars, should I go ahead and try something new and trust their expertise or go oldschool with a Hondata system? Looking for a balanced car shooting at the 300hp mark. Something easy and clean to drive but will smash when I cut'er loose. Hoping for some good advise on where to start and looking to post more when the parts start arriving.

 

your looking for 300 whp NA???

 

300whp and easy and clean to drive aren't gonna happen N/A.

If you want 300whp and something easy to drive, supercharger.

 

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I'm loving my 05 too

inlinepro has the only 300whp all motor S2000 (that I know of) and it involved way more work and money than going forced induction. it's probably not streetable due to the compression either.

just about any forced induction kit will kit you into the 300+whp range. for up to 375whp I'd go with the stage one tuning supercharger kit. my buddy has that on his car and on only 8psi he made 350whp, pretty sick for that little of boost static x motorsports is the dealer of that kit and I think is fairly close to you. you could probably see one of their cars and get a test drive, see how the power feels

as for the ECU I would go with the AEM EMS. on the 05 it'll be cheaper and easier to install than Hondata plus gives you more features.

 

Ugh......I was hoping to stay away from the forced induction for a while. I was hoping to find an easy quality bolt-on setup with good tuning to bring it to that mark. Currently I'm in Afghanistan and I get the chance to read quite a few books and magazines on the failures and successes of the boltons for the S2K. What I found was that the proper application of parts that work harmoniously together and proper tuning it is possible. I guess I may have to dabble to prove my theory. LOL. Through it all, I may just have to keep myself open to a supercharger or turbo.


So the AEM EMS in the one I'm looking for? Is it a piggyback(plug in and play) or is there a similar EMS that is open to be tuned by myself?

 

s2k is pretty much peaked-out n/a...bolt-ons hardly add any power worth mentioning unless you feel like sending at least $3-4k for just bolt-ons and no tune. the only way you're gonna see any real power from the s2k (n/a) is upping the displacement, but like fore mentioned it is retarded expensive.

 

There is a kit out there that is made by Hytech (spelling). It is fairly new and was featured in Honda Tuning I believe. It consists of Cams, Exhaust, Header, ITBs, and tune and put the S2000 at 280ish WHP. It didn't state the price and I am guessing that it isn't cheap. That is probably where I would start if you are dedicated to N/A. That with a changed gears setup or something would be great. 280WHP N/A would just be wicked awesome though!

 

Well.....thats the plan. I did see something like what your talking about square 1; it was in the Ying & Yang Honda Tuning Mag that came out about a month ago. I'm still searching and looking around. Still stuck on na. We'll see where I go. Thanks for the advise.

 

Yes Honda Tuning did feature a NA kit for the s2k made by HyTech back in their August 2008 issue(I think). I don't know if it's out yet but I know it ain't going to be cheap. I'm gettiing this from the magazine so the prices should be somewhere in this ballpark range. For the Internals(cams, retainers, springs. valve seals, and keepers) $2,500, ITBs($2,900), Header($1,350), Dual Exhaust($1,800), and cam gears(depending what brand you go for cost varies). So yea....it ain't real cheap. Just supercharge or turbo it FTW.

 

Yea. I dug up the mag last night and looked it over. You're right. A little too much buck for bang. Now, I've been involved in little fwd cars all-motor and turbo for a while and I'm just breaking into this rwd (better car world-lol-) so can I get advise on whats better to run with the S2K; as to either turn the motor faster or just crank more air into it? Supercharger or turbo, or does it just come down to preference in the end. Honestly, I'm a turbo man so more advice on the the turbo would be well appreiciated. I've already got suspension and shoes headed back home in the states and I'm patiently waiting to purchase motor parts until I've completely decided on what I'm wanting to run. Highly motivated to get started.


Heres a wild question. In the bseries OBD2 ecu motors; you make the swap into your hatch for example and you swap out the OBD2 for the OBD1 to run the Hondata and give you a better tune range for the air flow, fuel curve, vtec, etc.....now, is it possible to take an AP1 ecu(9000rpm redline) and swap it into the AP2, attach an ecu to piggyback it, and have the best of both worlds(2.2l with the increased rpms on stock compression)? And if this is possible, *with good results*, the turbo install would make the car a fanatical F1 wanabe. correct? Is this possible?

 

you can rev out the 2.2L further than 8000rpm but past about 8500 the power curve will start to dip so it's not worth reving to 9000rpm (not safe with a stock AP2 motor anyway). it's just a byproduct of the increased displacement, doing that shifts the powerband down.

I wouldn't go the all-motor route beyond a simple intake, like you said too much buck for too little bang. I did 206whp bone stock on my AP2, last dyno day I went to a guy had an S2000 with Mugen intake, header, test pipe, exhaust, AEM EMS with Mase tuning the car, and it made 222whp. so for all of that money he gained 16whp over my bone stock car, he'd be better of spraying a 50 shot until he saved for a turbo or supercharger kit

it would be nice if the S had lots to gain all motor, do a cam swap and gain 50whp like a domestic big block, but it's not gonna happen. without a full engine build that'll cost more than boosting the car you won't gain significant power all-motor.

 

yup, it's completely plug and play, not a piggy back, just replaces your stock ECU. there's a couple of initial setup thing you have to do but the last time I set one up on an S2000 it was running in 15 minutes from the time the stock ecu was taken out.

it's software is very easy to use and has a tons of features and options. yes you can tune it yourself but make sure you know what you're doing or it'll be an expensive lesson on tuning I've tuned my cars and a few others with the AEM and it's an awesome tuning tool.

 

Sounds good. I need something easy to work with on the car. This EMS you speak sounds like a great choice. Gonna give it a look. Most likly a buy. Also, I believe I've been sold on a turbo. Gonna start looking aound at some kits or parts to build one myself. Any personal expieriance in said "boost" on an S2K?

 

Nitrous. Keeps the overall drivability there, and extra HP when you want.

 

I've got experience with my buddy's Eaton Supercharged S2000, it dyno'd 350whp on 8psi, pretty quick personally I'm getting Mase's turbo kit for my car, I'll have the first one for the AP2, should have that in about a month. he sells a very nice, very complete kit, for the money compared to full-race and others with a tubular manifold it's hard to beat. I don't have pictures of the LHD kit but he's built a couple RHD ones already, here's some pictures and info...

http://maseengineering.com/blog/entr...000_turbo_kit/

sometime before the end of March I should have mine on, I'll post up a bunch of pictures and dyno's. going for 500whp high boost with low boost around 400whp, should be a lot of fun

if you really know what you're doing you could build your own but it'll take a long time and you'll have to go through all the trial and error the companies that make kits have already gone through. I though about making a kit for a while but decided to go with Mase's kit. I'm sure I'll be spending more money but I'll have his support if I have a problem and I'll be able to have the kit installed in a day instead of months, it's all trade offs.

 

Well, you've got a solid plan down. Gotta get my act together and get one rolling. I'm gonna take a look at this Mase Eng. turbo. You're pretty confident in it. Good all around work, I suppose? I'm gonna run around here on the net and see what I can find to compare it. This turbo of yours......you know the size and how fast it spools up? I have limited access on the net over here. Can you fill me in?

 

Mase has a good rep for tuning and the fab work on the RHD kit is awesome. he works on all kinds of cars, not too long ago he tuned a custom twin turbo Ford GT to 1363whp

on his kits, unlike most kits with tubular manifolds, you don't have to move the battery, bend a/c lines, or relocate the oil filter. makes for a lot less work, cleaner look, and you don't have to worry about the oil lines coming loose on a filter relocation kit. a couple of guys have lost their motors because of those fittings coming loose and spilling out all the oil.

his base kit comes with a GT30R, most dyno's I've seen have full boost around 5000 rpm with that turbo. it'll start spooling up before then, most have more power than stock does at redline by about 4000 rpm. the GT35R will give you the option for more power and spool a little later, about 500 rpms. I'm going with the GT35R since I'm going for 500whp now and maybe 600whp later when I build the motor. out of the box his kits will be 400whp.

like I said within a month I'll have my kit, I'll post up a whole bunch in pictures, videos, and dyno's when I get mine. he also said we'll play around with both the GT30R and the GT35R on my car, then we'll be able to post dyno's of both for comparison, should be cool

 

Can't wait to see the results. Soon as you get the videos send on over to me. I've been non stop hunting for parts and ideas for the build. Got me stuck on this turbo. Keep me posted. Really intrested to see how your build goes.

 

somewhere I saw another video but here's his RHD kit on the dyno. 610whp on a built motor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-dKu1kffhA