I have seen Blox do good in the turbo setups, but I was wondering is it reliable for N/A? If you can rate Blox from 1-10, what would you rate it? (rating interms of performance and reliabilty on camshafts and camgears)

 

I would rate them a 10 in copying ability and a 1 in inovative research.

 

I would rate them them a 4.677>*2 but that punk judge from China always throws off everyones rating.

 

Man....they can't even SPELL I-N-N-O-V-A-T-I-O-N.

They just copy designs that have been successful in the past. I think they use quality cam cores....and they directly copy successful cam profiles.

I can't speak to quality. Maybe someone else on here can. Personally, I feel that it's necessary to support the companies that produce innovation in this pursuit. Those companies have a history of supporting customers. I can't say BLOX has a history of that.

 

im pretty sure the "i am dan" blox guy got banned from here for fending off arguments like this.

 

They offer a good product, copy or not.

Get over it.

 

evans tuning has had a problem with the cams breaking at the gear side..

 

x2, because i feel the same way.

 

Some good informations, thanks. Interesting, i'm guessing you would rate them a 5 then.?

 

LOL! yeah he sure do. 8, 8, 8.

 

Are you retarded??? What good comes out of being a copy cat??? Poser?? A fake???


Would any of you buy fake Nike shoes??? Would you buy a fake Honda???

 

im running their cams and their intake filter for my bpi stack...never had any problems.

 

x2

 

Well...I'd buy a header that's a WELL MADE copy of a proven piece...that is, itself, a dyno proven piece.

It all depends on the person doing the copying and manufacturing the piece. IF BLOX's cores and machining process (speaking about cams) are the same as say....Skunk2, for example....AND they have a history of good customer service, I can't say I'd NEVER buy their product b/c it's "crap." Would I possibly buy Skunk2's (or another company that makes the products BLOX copies) product on another principle? Very likely.

It all depends on how much customer service, supporting innovation, etc are worth to you.

I guess it all comes down to WHAT products you're talking about. If you don't have any qualms with the fact that all their camshaft profiles are taken from previously proven camshafts produced by other companies and you know that the cams are the same, exact grind....then, the only question is quality or value.

Now...the answers to all the questions are not out there. IDK if the cores are the same as other companies (Skunk2, Rocket, BC, etc)...so I don't know the answer to the question of quality. I've heard that some of the copies released by BLOX aren't exact copies (Lobe-Separation angles, profiles being different, etc), so they may not perform the same, etc.

Just find the info you need, draw your own conclusion, and report back to us.

 

youre an idiot bro.

ill tell you why.

lets start with what good comes out of being a copy cat... A PAYCHECK. IT IS BUSINESS.

buying a "fake honda" and buying a copy of a header that performs nearly if not exactly the same of the original design is not the same thing.

let me explain something else, using a different "copy" as an example. john at hytech had a overseas company make a line of "production" headers. he endured a hardship at his shop because one of his employees cut his fingers off with a chopsaw and sued him.

he was not able to pay for the production headers he had made. rage racing found out, and purchased the left over headers that were made for john, and sold them as "rage tri-y" headers for 595 a pop back in about 04.

i use this story to illustrate a point. 99% of these products come from the same taiwanese sweatshop. so what the fu c k difference does it make who's label is on the box when you buy it?

it is ECONOMICS and smart business practices which you know nothing about. youre still in that "good ol boy" mentality.

a blox hsl is a "copy" of a skunk2 stage 3 cam. but...is skunk2 making the cam in house? no, someone else is making it and i would be willing to bet the exact same person makes the blox hsl cam. so the product you are buying is identical in many cases. so it all boils down to "who gives a **** who thought of the design"

is it compeltely ethical to copy an original design. nope. it isnt. but welcome to "the real" as morpheus would say. **** happens all the time, and as a consumer you can use it to your advantage or you can whine about it. choice is yours.

 

k i SERIOUSLY doubt that it is made by the same people are you an idiot i doubt skunk2 will let a taiwanese sweatshop make theyre cams

 

kid, im not even going to touch your post. but in a few years when you have al ittle grease under your finger nails, and some experience under your belt, youll look back at this and laugh. until then, go port a vtec solenoid or something.

 

Now we are talking.

 

Has anyone actually compared these cams either by running them through a cam doctor or plotting them with a dial indicator while chucked in a lathe? Just because two cams have the same duration at a given lift point and even if they have the same lift does not mean they are necessarily even close to the same design. There is huge differences in ramp designs, acceleration rates, velocity, etc. between manufacturers and it makes a huge difference in performance. I'm not defending Blox - I have no experience with them. It just seems unusual that a (supposedly) reputable company would blatently pirate someones design - which is exactly what it is when someone copies a lobe design. It is very easy to do. Has anyone done this?

 

So I guess the main problem with Blox is lack of customer information(interms of Blox products), and customer support.

 

i would say the ramp angles and base circles are the same.

i know what you mean though. when the skunk2 stage2 cams came out, the lift and duration was identical to the JUN3, but the ramp angle was different. it had everyone in a tizzy over a "copy". in that situation i call it "inspiration" moreso than blatant copying.

 

You just have to weigh the Pros and Cons.

1. Are the cam profiles in question THE SAME profiles. Are all the things Scott Tucker speaks of the same, thus making the cam profile THE SAME?
2. Are the cam cores of the same quality?
3. Is the workmanship of the machining of the same quality?

If the answers to the above 3 questions are "Yes," you're talking about the SAME product under different labels. Then, the question(s) go over to customer service, etc. If any of them are not, you need to evaluate how much of an impact it will have on your engine.

Then, ask:
4. How's the company's customer service? How much do they know about their product beyond the specs of that given product? (How do they perform in certain applications? How do they react to certain settings?) Also, not least of all, how does the company handle failures that ARE the fault of THEIR product....and how far will they go (i.e. if the failure takes out other parts).
5. What's it worth to you to support a company that actually produces innovative product in the import community?

While the 1st 3 questions, are, in my opinion, THE MOST IMPORTANT. However, don't discount the importance of the other 2. 1st 2 tell you how the quality/performance of the product compares. The 4th is somewhat like your INSURANCE POLICY. The last is something that is intangible, albeit something important you should consider. Is it important to you to support the R&D the original company put in?

Answer those questions....and answer your original question.

 

my god....you typed all this out and did not mention one time THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR.

PRICE

im not speaking for myself per se, but from a business aspect which a lot of the 19 yr old kids dont seem to understand when they start screaming "fu ck copy cats!"

same cam, same asian manufacturer, costs 100 bucks less...why would average joe purchase the original? to get a warm fuzzy? or perhaps to sound cooler within his circle of guy friends which is the textbook definition of a metrosexual, but we wont delve into that.

 

Kinda felt like the Price factor goes without saying.....

What I meant to say was that PRICE is not the ONLY aspect that matters.

 

it doesnt go without saying. it takes precedence over all other factors, especially in this day and age, when half the people on the forums are building motors with unemployment checks,tax returns, and stimulus checks.