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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 05:46 AM
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seams like out law racing is catching on in the import/sport compact racing world http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=527379 they were also talking about doing something with the "honda" guys, would be nice to see some of the fastest 4cly/6cly cars in the nation!
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 05:56 AM
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You have to be registered to view that thread, just fyi.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 06:00 AM
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The Honda boys put on these shoot outs with $1000 buy in's and they get A LOT of guys traveling all over the country for these races. They have huge pay outs and big turn outs. I know the winner of one back east at the end of last year took home $10-14k or something crazy.

I want to try and set something up since everyone is going back out racing. We can try and do it with the Honda guys or just do it on our own. Buy In's and Rules can be setup if we can get enough people to do it.

There are a lot of fast cars now and it would be fun to get everyone out racing heads up and for a nice chunk of change. Tony1 is on this forum and some other Honda guys that race those outlaw FWD events so hopefully they can chime in.

I would think including Vipers, Vettes, Supras, and whatever else would be good. I want this to be a manual tranny race with maybe an auto class but mainly Manuals.
also registering only takes like 2min
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 06:08 AM
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indub on here posted this
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Basically, its a gamblers race with buy ins from all racers and tons of sponsor bounties put out by shops and manufacturers. Typically its piggy backed on top of another race. This keeps all the money going back to the racers themselves

Pretty simple rules. Weight, Turbo size, and tire size. We kept it for the SFWD/Turbo Street style cars. Which was the "street car class" The rules veered off from there, the racers who had already made deposits were the ones who decided on the rules amongst eachother.

Tony1 Won the event last year. This year they are doing the same thing in E-Town as well as one for the westcoast in Utah. There were 22 deposits taken for last years E-town and had 18 cars in the field

Rough idea of how its setup.

With a 16 car field 1st place is 10k, 2nd is 2500, 3rd and 4th are paid as well. 1st round losers and non-qualifiers automatically got half their money back.

The rest of the big money came from bountys. $100-$1000 or parts for things like, best 60', best 330' best 660', quickest pass, fastest pass, overall winner, first to break, first to red light, perfect RT, etc etc etc

Since there is no real series any more, This IS the way to race. Spend big with a chance to WIN BIG. Most people would drive for the $800 payouts, there is no problem driving for $10k-14k-16k
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 06:23 AM
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^^^ That is a good post from indub, but E-town said that bounties couldn't be any more than $500 without them/someone having to get involved.
I would LOVE to see an OUTLAW RWD race with the Outlaw FWD guys @ E-town! The crowd would be HUGE, it was pretty awesome turnout before but the addition of RWD guys only makes the fan base larger.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 07:33 AM
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This is a good idea that now allows for rwd and possibly awd cars...
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 06:44 PM
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How much did Tony win?
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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How much did Tony win?
alot..i think it was 15,000
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 03:45 AM
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Tony won $11,000 ($10,500 from entry fees, $500 from borg Warner) from purse for race and $3,100 in cash bounties plus a Clutchmasters Twin Disk, a SPEC Twin Disk, CP Piston kit and a $500 labor credit with Justice Racing Engines. SO over $16,000 in cash and prizes. 2nd place won $3,800.

Think Tony will come back this year?
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 04:25 AM
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Tony won $11,000 ($10,500 from entry fees, $500 from borg Warner) from purse for race and $3,100 in cash bounties plus a Clutchmasters Twin Disk, a SPEC Twin Disk, CP Piston kit and a $500 labor credit with Justice Racing Engines. SO over $16,000 in cash and prizes. 2nd place won $3,800.

Think Tony will come back this year?

Pretty sure Tony would be an idiot if he didn't.
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 04:54 AM
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LOL, I just looked through the supra forums thread and those guys are WEAK! Who in the hell wouldnt travel across the country for $10k+ and a good time racing? I guess the Honda guys are more balling than they are. Most of the guys posting in there sound so discouraged b/c certain people are signed up. I dont live close to jersey but I would like to see some of those 7-8 second drag radial cars there that get posted on here, that would be sweet to watch. That would give the supra guys some competition with weight,tire, and poweradder restrictions. I would definitely fly back to jersey to see that along with the fwd guys.

Might even have more fans than a NHRA race!
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 05:06 AM
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I thought piggy backing to the already setup outlaw race at Etown would've been great..

But those guys didn't think so.. They rather rent out a track and do their own outlaw race...
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Enzo-Racing
I thought piggy backing to the already setup outlaw race at Etown would've been great..

But those guys didn't think so.. They rather rent out a track and do their own outlaw race...



yeah, i was going to post in there but decided not to waste my time -- the reason the FWD outlaw race was so successful was Etown's willingness to work with us and allow us to keep pretty much all the entry money and give it back to those competing at the shootout -- piggybacking on an already scheduled event seems to be the only way to make it work -- the track HAS to make money -- they have to see the advantage of hosting this sort of event to want to do it in the future and making them money is the way to open their eyes.

renting a track out to have one class run a little special race does nothing for the track really other than another rental day fee

there were some comments in there (supraforums thread) to the effect of screw the fans, lets do this race for the racers for once -- wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong -- the fans are still incredibly important to the success of the event and the money making aspect of the event, without fans what is the point -- yes, we all want huge payouts and great competition but ultimately fans are crucial to the event as well.

it has to be a very well balanced setup where the racers are very happy, the track is very happy and the fans are very happy and the 2008 FWD Shootout at Etown proved it can work well -- hopefully the RWD/AWD guys can put something successful together -- they need not look further than the already proven FWD concept though for it to work.
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Innes
yeah, i was going to post in there but decided not to waste my time -- the reason the FWD outlaw race was so successful was Etown's willingness to work with us and allow us to keep pretty much all the entry money and give it back to those competing at the shootout -- piggybacking on an already scheduled event seems to be the only way to make it work -- the track HAS to make money -- they have to see the advantage of hosting this sort of event to want to do it in the future and making them money is the way to open their eyes.

renting a track out to have one class run a little special race does nothing for the track really other than another rental day fee

there were some comments in there (supraforums thread) to the effect of screw the fans, lets do this race for the racers for once -- wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong -- the fans are still incredibly important to the success of the event and the money making aspect of the event, without fans what is the point -- yes, we all want huge payouts and great competition but ultimately fans are crucial to the event as well.

it has to be a very well balanced setup where the racers are very happy, the track is very happy and the fans are very happy and the 2008 FWD Shootout at Etown proved it can work well -- hopefully the RWD/AWD guys can put something successful together -- they need not look further than the already proven FWD concept though for it to work.
You got it.. Some of them are being stubborn...

We should put together our own rwd/awd outlaw race at Etown ..
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 07:14 AM
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James, you nailed it man. It's the fans that pay the track.
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 12:14 PM
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James and Brian,

I think any input from you two on how to make it easier based of experience would help out though. If ether or both of you could post some idea's, along with get any potential cars that you know of to join in on it could help make it a bigger success?


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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Enzo-Racing
You got it.. Some of them are being stubborn...

We should put together our own rwd/awd outlaw race at Etown ..

Lets do it then, i am pretty sure it can be successful.
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 12:51 PM
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I want to see some fast *** cars like that vette NRG has, yellow mustang that the Tempest crew knows, and that black viper come to mind. I have never see fast DR cars like those so it would be awesome to watch. Ticket prices same as last year would be sweet, that brings a lot of people for the track to make money off of.

lol, possibilities are getting me excited and I'm just flying out to watch.
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 03:31 PM
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Lets do it then, i am pretty sure it can be successful.
That would be fun also. But the reason the one the Supraforums is trying to put together will be successful is the fact that the top cars are already committed to racing in it.

It's the same with the FWD shootout. If people like Cort, Tony1, Yourself, Joe, etc, would not have came it would not have been as big with just local slower cars.
That's why it's a shootout, you get the top dogs in the classes and all the underdogs trying to take them out!

We support and help promote the FWD's just as much and that's all we are asking in return.
Hell I even asked Steve to add a RWD class to his Mfactory race so that it would be even bigger, but guess they couldn't squeeze it in.
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 04:55 PM
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They have been talking with cliff about piggy backing the race with an IFO Event.

The event is MOST LIKELY going to be held towards the end of october at SAR (San Antonio)

The question they have is IF they made a class for the honda guys, would there be enough people to go, or is it too close to the E-Town race?
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 04:57 PM
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^ If the payouts are where they need to be you can count me in.
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 11:04 PM
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^ If the payouts are where they need to be you can count me in.
Exactly! Im not wasting my time with any boti races strictly because of payouts, so the more outlaw races the better.

Utah, San Antonio then Jersey sounds like a fun 3 races season to me.
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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Innes
they need not look further than the already proven FWD concept though for it to work.
exactly what i was thinking if its not broke dont fix it! just follow the already laid out blue print!
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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by uglyasscivic
Exactly! Im not wasting my time with any boti races strictly because of payouts, so the more outlaw races the better.

Utah, San Antonio then Jersey sounds like a fun 3 races season to me.
and a chance at 30k+ lol
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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 08:50 AM
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well if it will be in san antonio i can probly say that you will atleast have 6 to 10 cars that i know for sure will be there... btw SAR is one of the best tracks around.
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