NEwb needs help on suspension
As the title states Im pretty newbish on the suspension side. Here's the deal I have a 95 civic hatch with a pretty much stock b16 and ls rims. I have about 5-600 to spend on springs and dampers and I also have about 300 to spend on tires. I spend 99.9% of my time on the road, I never track or autocross. However I do drag race from time to time (I feel like any suspension mod would help me here). Lowering is of little concern to me, even though I would prefer it to come down a lil. Also mention if you would get camber kits on whatever you may recommend.
What I really want out of the suspension is a decent street setup. All of my 9/10ths driving (cornering) will be done on the street so the ability to soak up bumps while keeping the tires planted while staying controllable is very important to me. I was thinking about maybe running a 205 for the front and a 195 for the rear to induce a lil oversteer if possible. I was also thinking braces for the rear or maybe a antiroll bar.
Ive always heard good things about the koni yellow and gc (which we were just recently able to combine, correct?). Ive found a few skunk 2 kits with springs and shocks for 575 on ebay with 12kg f 6kg B. Thats another thing im not to good with, spring rates. As far as the tires I was looking at general exclaim uhp but suggestions would be great.
I really want to do something with the bushings but am, well to be honest, scared. Im scared to fork out the cash for factory bushing, im scared to order aftermarket from all the crap I hear about them cracking in 6 months, and Im scared to do all the work (pressing in and out, ahhhhh) because Im damn sure not going to pay anybody to do a worse job than what I could do. This is my daily driver and I dont really have another ride, but Im sure I could leave it down for a couple days or so.
SOMEONE HELP ME OUT
In the meanwhile I'll be researching.
What I really want out of the suspension is a decent street setup. All of my 9/10ths driving (cornering) will be done on the street so the ability to soak up bumps while keeping the tires planted while staying controllable is very important to me. I was thinking about maybe running a 205 for the front and a 195 for the rear to induce a lil oversteer if possible. I was also thinking braces for the rear or maybe a antiroll bar.
Ive always heard good things about the koni yellow and gc (which we were just recently able to combine, correct?). Ive found a few skunk 2 kits with springs and shocks for 575 on ebay with 12kg f 6kg B. Thats another thing im not to good with, spring rates. As far as the tires I was looking at general exclaim uhp but suggestions would be great.
I really want to do something with the bushings but am, well to be honest, scared. Im scared to fork out the cash for factory bushing, im scared to order aftermarket from all the crap I hear about them cracking in 6 months, and Im scared to do all the work (pressing in and out, ahhhhh) because Im damn sure not going to pay anybody to do a worse job than what I could do. This is my daily driver and I dont really have another ride, but Im sure I could leave it down for a couple days or so.
SOMEONE HELP ME OUT
In the meanwhile I'll be researching.
Last edited by Sr420Det; Feb 10, 2009 at 05:42 PM. Reason: wasnt finished wtf?
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First of all, you shouldn't be doing any "9/10ths driving" on the street. We're talking near-the-limit driving and that should be saved for the track - autocross or road course. Period.
Koni/GC's are nothing new. I had my setup back in 2004, and back then was the relatively "new" sleeves that fit directly onto the Koni shocks with no adapters or anything required. Koni/GC setups have been around for many years. But you most likely won't find that setup for less than $800. It's a great setup, though, and I would recommend saving more money to get that. I would recommend it over almost any of the $500-$600 full aluminum-body coilover setups you see out these days.
Also I would NOT recommend staggered tire sizes if you do all street driving, unless you have money to replace tires all the time, which I suspect you don't. You need to be able to rotate tires every 5K miles or so to prolong tire life. You could do it with 205 and 195 tires, but you'd have different handling characteristics depending on where the tires are located.
Bushings - stay with OEM rubber or hard rubber. You don't need anything else for street driving.
Camber kits - skip them. Not needed. Get the car aligned after the ride height is changed (after any time the ride height is changed) and your tires will be fine.
Koni/GC's are nothing new. I had my setup back in 2004, and back then was the relatively "new" sleeves that fit directly onto the Koni shocks with no adapters or anything required. Koni/GC setups have been around for many years. But you most likely won't find that setup for less than $800. It's a great setup, though, and I would recommend saving more money to get that. I would recommend it over almost any of the $500-$600 full aluminum-body coilover setups you see out these days.
Also I would NOT recommend staggered tire sizes if you do all street driving, unless you have money to replace tires all the time, which I suspect you don't. You need to be able to rotate tires every 5K miles or so to prolong tire life. You could do it with 205 and 195 tires, but you'd have different handling characteristics depending on where the tires are located.
Bushings - stay with OEM rubber or hard rubber. You don't need anything else for street driving.
Camber kits - skip them. Not needed. Get the car aligned after the ride height is changed (after any time the ride height is changed) and your tires will be fine.
I found these the other day and was wondering what you guys thought http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Skunk...1%7C240%3A1318
This is more my price range but If the gc and koni's are that much better i will get them, Im sure a vendor on ht could hook me up. I see why you dont recommend running the stagger tire size, so here's my next question, what tires do you think are good for my price range? and will 205 be worth 60-100 bucks more than 195 size. I only shop at tire rack and they have the general uhp in 195 for really cheap but the 205's are quit a bit more. Also what do you think about the rear antiroll bar (if I can even put one on my car) or rear strut braces or maybe the big X. Im def on a budget but will spend a lil extra if its worth it. Thanks for all your help, Brett.
This is more my price range but If the gc and koni's are that much better i will get them, Im sure a vendor on ht could hook me up. I see why you dont recommend running the stagger tire size, so here's my next question, what tires do you think are good for my price range? and will 205 be worth 60-100 bucks more than 195 size. I only shop at tire rack and they have the general uhp in 195 for really cheap but the 205's are quit a bit more. Also what do you think about the rear antiroll bar (if I can even put one on my car) or rear strut braces or maybe the big X. Im def on a budget but will spend a lil extra if its worth it. Thanks for all your help, Brett.
Last edited by Sr420Det; Feb 12, 2009 at 04:46 PM.
or this: http://performance.yoparts.com/eibac...0/i-54249.aspx
or this: http://performance.yoparts.com/eibac...0/i-98510.aspx
Whats the dif between the two?
http://performance.yoparts.com/tokic...2/i-57407.aspx
All these are more my price range but like I said, if everyone thinks the koni's are that much better than I'll go with that.
or this: http://performance.yoparts.com/eibac...0/i-98510.aspx
Whats the dif between the two?
http://performance.yoparts.com/tokic...2/i-57407.aspx
All these are more my price range but like I said, if everyone thinks the koni's are that much better than I'll go with that.
Last edited by Sr420Det; Feb 12, 2009 at 05:08 PM.
The cool thing about Koni/GC is you can get the shocks first then the coil springs later if you dont mind reinstalling them. Thats what Im doing since im way short on money. Got the front Konis, next the back, then the springs. (replacing H&R sports) Its worth it to get the right setup the first time. Youll spend way more redoing it later if you go cheap.
Agreed, welp thats what I'll be going with. What kind of spring rates should I be looking for, for a strictly street setup. I want my street suspension to be able to out perform a more race oriented setup on the street. Does that make sense?
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