Just some FYI for you guys with 09 civics

http://hondata.com/reflash_06_civicsi.html

 

Very nice improvements for not much money. The chart looks like the modifications have made the car much easier to drive, too.

 

nice!~~

 

thanks for that gk.

they should come out with tuning.

 

35hp jump after VTEC engages with the stock ECU? I'm convinced that Honda is freaking retarded.

 

How is the 06-08 reflash different from the 09's?

 

lol dam is that better then the type s reflash?

 

Amazing how much power is freed up just by erasing that cat.

 

It's a lot more amazing how much power is freed up just by lowering the VTEC engagement to 4500-5000 . . .

 

I doubt the fuel and timing maps are any different it's just the pcm's on the 09's are different and to keep the immob, VSA, and all the other car functions working they have to make a new flash.

 

Chart is misleading.

A better comparison would be one with a reflash and one without but with the same mods (RH + exhaust). The chart above shows a stock car then another with a reflash + modifications. Obviously, the gains are going to be significant.

Hopefully most people are aware that the biggest benefit of the reflash is for the much improved midrange. The reflash won't improve high-end (except if you think raising the rev limit to 8600 will) so it's not going to make anymore high-end power than your stock ECU. In my opinion, it's a waste of money and many of us are still waiting for an affordable tunable setup. As I said before in the past, it's not going to happen any time soon because the reflashes are selling like hotcakes. Hondata doesn't have any incentives to speed up development of an affordable tuning system for our K20z3 because people continue to buy their reflashes.

People often ask why the SI's are tuned the way they are and I think it's because:

A.) of fuel economy, and
B.) the kid ricer in all of us enjoys it when we feel the surge and the sound of the aggressive lobes switching in @ 5800 rpm.

I'll take more torque earlier and usable linear power band any day then the OMG vtec surge at 5800rpm.

 

We all know how fast you can row through the gears even when you aren't getting on it. If I had the reflash, I'd be right below VTEC every shift when I'm not ripping it. LOL.

I would love to have a midrange but I know I'd still miss the VTEC surge. With the reflash, VTEC doesn't throw you back in your seat like the stock crossover does. Still a midrange would be nice...lol.

 

qft. You get more midrange and a lower crossover. What's not to love?

 

Yea I noticed that....but even more I noticed the huge gap in top end power from the 3" exhaust to the 3" exhaust w/ race header.

 

I know the reflash isn't supposed to add peak power but I've heard you usually gain a few with it. The difference isn't just a rc; one has a 3" exhaust on an otherwise stock car, while the other has a 3" exhaust, race header and reflash.

 

I understand your points completely.

It seems to me that most people are after fairly easy to use bolt ons, and aren't after ultimate tunability. You'll find a lot of people driving around on the street who'll admit to you that they have gone too far with their street cars and have turned them into beasts that really aren't more fun to drive than the cars would have been if they'd stopped with basic bolt ons.

I understand your point.

But it sounds like you're at a higher stage of development than the typical driver who just wants a street car that is a little more fun.

 

so hows the kpro for the new si's coming along?? haha yea never gonna come out

 

damn, 35 whp in the midrange
impressive

 

Very impressive. I dunno there I have a bit of trouble convincing myself with getting my ECU reflashed with such a brand new car. I may look into this in 2 years or so but that's just me. Look's like a great product though!

 

i agree bro...

 

idk about yall but i want kpro and stage 2 cams....