So i just picked up a IC piping kit for a 94 civic from phil last week already received it(great shipping time thanks phil!!!). the price of the kit was eye catching so i couldnt pass it up. now I know spoolin is a very reputable guy around here and Im not here to bash you or bring your company down but im just gonna point out some things that i wasnt so satisfied with


#1: i had a greddy BOV flange put on the piping and the weld around the flange itself looks fine but in the pic you can see on the insde of the flange right on the mating surface it looks like someone blindly took a grinder to it, and makes me wonder if the bov is even going to seal without leaking,




#2: the bead rolled ends look kinda iffy or of somewhat low quality, here are some pics of the ends.




so for the price once again I couldnt pass it up, but these are just a couple things that left a bad taste in my mouth. but otherwise dealing with phil was great and great shipping on it.

so im sorry if i ruffle any feathers but I figure I would point these few flaws out.

 

Where are the pics? I have a feeling you are being nitpicky

 

i agree with you on the flange but the beads look perfect, at the end of the day its charge pipe what else do you want it to do?

 

welp i just dont want to get to the dyno to find that i have to deal with a leaking BOV, and waste my time and more importantly the tuners time.

 

after welding the inside of the flange it leaves a bead.

we use a 20" sanding wheel and run the face of it to surface it flat. While to a true machinist who operates in the ten thousandth of an inch for tight tolerances on a mill, then again, I have no idea who on this earth does that for intercooler piping or has ever done that for a bov flange.



notice the even grinding grooves on the flange ? no high or low spots where its irregularly sanded ? means its level = no leaks

Greddy gives you gaskets for a reason, even though i pretty much never use them anyways.


if you're not satisfied. you're welcome to send it back for a refund if that is what you wish.



- Philip @ Spoolin

 

as I said I'm happy with the customer service, shipping and the product but basically im just talking about the flange mainly.

Im keeping it but I just wanted to point this out. when i buy something off ebay i expect the quality to be complete ****, when i buy something off you or another reputable fabricator my expectations are gonna be much higher.

I understand that once the bov is on and it doesnt leak no-one will see it, but a simple dremel action on it would clean it up.

I realize that Im being **** about all this but thats how I am.

I guess what Im trying to say is for me to go to a superior fabricator as yourself and basically be told that its close enough that a gasket or tightening it down should suffice, isn't what I expect to hear. thats kinda what i would expect to hear from a ebay store.

once again I apologize phil for any inconvenience as Im not trying to hurt your rep in anyway possible, but I just wanted to bring these points up and wanted to hear what you had to say.

 

Heh. interesting.

 

there are far more superior fabricators out there than I. I price what i think my product is worth which is midgrade i'd say which is what im shooting for. If i was going for high end, which I could, but no one would buy because FR has that market on lock, their resources and quality is definately matched to their price.



and as for that bov flange leaking, i highly doubt it will, put a straight edge on top of that flange and im sure its straight. As said i've never seen anyone use a MILL to surface a bov flange straight after welding. At the cost of a bridgeport mill. the time to set it up, I'd guarantee you, thats a 40$ charge in itself.


the fmic piping kits i sell are our sourced to another local facility. For custom jobs here at the shop i have bends i can cut and weld to fit. Those pipes are made then sent out to be duplicated and bent to my specs by a facility that has CNC benders in house.

one could only be either very resourceful or rather wealthy to have those types of machinery in their shop. If I did, Surely I wouldn't be pricing my products at the rates they are and surely I'd attack other markets with at least 2X greater profit margins than that in the import community.

 

Ebay's finest, right down to the universal Greddy/Blitz flange and the same grind marks:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SRE-C...Q5fAccessories

 

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Nice sig, are you a competitor? Spoolin stands by there stuff, I'm sure if there are any problems from a function standpoint Phil will handle it.

ebay sellers have been copying other companies for years, how do you know the ebay seller is not copying Phil? One could easily find manifolds on ebay that appear to look like Peakboost manifolds but they hardly are.

Like phil said he has a target market, that is not to say he cannot build uber high quality totally sicks as f*ck stuff, i have seen his work, he is more than capable to say the least.

 

George ( SRengineering) gets his intercooler piping made the same place at me. While we do get them from the same supplier i did not sign a contractual agreement for non disclosure so technically anyone who finds out who my supplier is can get them. However, my next kit after i sell out of my inventory will be full 2.5 but that's in speculation right now since ic piping sales aren't going too well for the fmic piping area.

 

How come you guys get them from the same place, but SRE sells them for 109 and project dc2 sells them for 190? Dont want to start anything since I like both companies mentioned, but why so much of a mark up?

 

probably because he offers his customer support, and he is backing his product

this means that instead of shitty ebay service, you get a great guy dealing with you who will cooperate to make YOU happy

99% of the time id rather pay a little bit more for something from a reputable source than save a couple dollars and recieve shitty customer service

those pipes look fine, looks like it was welded and then smoothed out for a flat mating surface, customers like you who buy stuff for cheap and then bitch about it are the reason i dont want to go into sales for the sport compact industry

 

price is what you PAY, value is what you GET.

Earl gets it right, Im in the business to make money, I have rent to pay, overhead, etcc. SRE works out of their home location.

In addition, See earlier how I offered 100% full refund if the OP wasn't satisfied with the purchase? I often times cover the shipping to AND from the customers location if there's any sort of mix up or fault upon my side of the transaction. Each time that's at least a 30 to 190$ expense for my company. I can't offer this type of service making pennies on the dollar.

 

CHEAP? $200 is cheap for IC piping? With NO couplings? Not even close to cheap.... If it were an EXACT fit custom piping, yes that would be cheap, but not a universal kit.

Well coming from the Subaru world, this would not be accepted, no way now how. For eBay piping, yes, but not vendor piping. Please don't make me post up a picture of the flange with a straight edge layed across it... I say that in all seriousness, as there is more than 1/4" gap from either side (not a straight flange by ANY means)

I don't want a refund as I will make it work now that I have it. The piping is fine and will work find, but seriously take some time and make it look like you give a **** with your flanges.

-Jerod

 

I have ordered ic pipping and a downpipe from phil. All i have to say is good things about them, they sent me the wrong flange on my downpipe , i called him up told him the problem and he told me to ship it back and he would take care of it, he didnt charge me any shipping and the turnaround was great. He for sure will have my business in the future when i decide to change my setup.

 

His customer service is great.. No complaints in that department (which is a huge selling point to me)

Just a little fuzzed about he flange.

-Jerod

 

Wow... Didn't see that one...

-Jerod

 

Customer service worth so much more than many of you realize. I would buy from Phil simply because he will stand behind his products, which is rare. Just because cars are YOUR hobby doesn't mean the people selling you the parts are in it for fun too. Support the small guy!!

 

Well said, i personally buy from FRY's electronics over BestBuy, guess why? Bestbuy tried to give me **** last time i returned something and they were rude to me, i don't care who has the lower price.

 

No, I'm not a competitor. Just a satisfied customer, and they have nothing to do with my reason for posting.

There's no copying going on here. The SRE piping has been on Ebay long before Spoolin started selling the same kit, which has 2" - 2.25" piping. I suspected it was the same, but the picture of the flange leaves no doubt. It's all Chinese, just like Treadstone's piping that he'll probably use next, since it's 2.5". I can understand paying $20 or so more than Ebay, but we're talking almost double the price, and that doesn't even include shipping.

 

agree'd since i been on here selling since 2003, never have you heard anyone say that i scammed them or gave him unfair treatment, Sure i may have a few unsatisfied customers in my history but none that'll say i outright ripped them off. Compared to probably 10 customers in my " industry" that's ran off with individuals money, I'd say my reputation stands pretty high here on H-T. Some may even say I have the best prices on some components but thats my choice to make and i feel that i've always tried to give my customers the best value I can.





surely, ALL of our products are made in asia ( sarcasm)

 

there is no such thing as exact fit when you're talking hondas, unless you buy the entire turbo kit from the same manufacturer. there's just way too many manifold + intercooler combos available. the number of manifolds available for subarus doesn't even come close to anything for hondas.

i actually have his 2.5" piping kit and 3 years later they're still holding up well!

 

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