Please take your vote for the best tire for performance and treadwear for a teg thats a daily driver ****also when i was at les schwab they offerred to do siping on all my tires for extra 12 bucks if your not familiar with this then here http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/tireSiping.dos should i get them siped? **Will it effect street drag racing performance at all in your opinion***

 

Well, the first question is what kind of weather you drive in. If you will use these tires to drive occasionally in snow and frigid cold during the winter as well as in moderate to warm temperatures the rest of the year, then you need all-season tires. The Proxes 4 is the only all-season listed here. However, the Kumho ASX, which isn't shown in the poll, is better and costs less money.

However, all-season tires are a compromise; in order to be able to be used in winter conditions, they are not optimized for any specific weather, so in moderate to warm temperatures, they don't perform as well as summer tires, either on dry roads or in rain (and in winter conditions, they don't perform as well as winter tires).

If you don't need to use these tires in snow or frigid cold - either because you live in a warm part of the country, or because you have other tires or another vehicle to use in those conditions - then you'll get better performance with a summer tire like the S.drive or the T1R. Between those two, the performance of the S.drive is at least as good as the T1R, and the T1R is more expensive. So get the S.drive.

Don't waste your money on siping. And don't drag race on the street; take your car to a dragstrip, where you won't hurt anyone.

 

ok i live in a part of Oregon no snow but sometime freezing but rare and im past that season. and how many miles do you think i could get out of the t1r...I daily drive 30 mins to work every day on highway and drive normal. But then on the weekends i run my car kinda hard wheather it be fast cornering on country roads or street legal drags every now and then

 

The T1R and the S.drive will both probably last about the same number of miles, anywhere from 20K to 40K, depending on how hard you drive, regular checking of pressures and rotation, etc. All-seasons tend to last a bit longer, maybe 35-55K (but again, they don't grip as well).

In 195/55-15, the S.drive is $76/tire with free shipping from Discount Tire Direct (or $71/tire plus shipping from the Tire Rack).

 

i have proxes 4 on my ek4 rims
very good in dry and wet i think

i have s.drives on my oz supperlegera for the summer

 

anyone know the tread wear on the t1r? drivin them hard every now and then..?

 

 

all tires have soft sidewalls

 

had t1r's on the first set of wheels that i purchased and i will never go back to anything else. i love how it grips for daily driving!

 

i also live in oregon and agree with everything NSX said. you could get snow tires on steelies for the winter and rock the S drive the rest of the time. if you need an all season they won't do as well in the winter as a snow tire or as well in the summer as a summer tire. the ASX or nitto neo gen are both good all season bets but i'd go with the S drive and cheap snow tires on steelies. we normally don't get winters like we had this last year.

personally i'm on BFG KD's in the summer and kumho AST's in the winter. if it's so bad the AST's don't work there are always chains i have no idea what i'll buy when these KD's run out, best non R tire i have ever driven on.

 

The BFG g-Force T/A KD is what Tire Rack calls an "extreme performance summer tire". These are tires designed for the maximum grip on dry pavement in moderate to warm temperatures, period; downsides are that they're only so-so in rain and they don't last as long as other tires. They're a good choice for folks who need to use the same tire for the street as for an occasional autocross or track event, or who sometimes go for a brisk drive on winding roads.

Within this segment of the tire market, the KD has really fallen behind. They've been out for a few years, and they are no longer competitive. They weren't even as sticky as the Azenis RT-615 (despite being WAY more expensive) and now the Azenis isn't competitive, either.

Here are the top tires in this segment now, starting with the stickiest:

Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec
Bridgestone Potenza RE-11 and RE-01R
Kumho Ecsta XS
Toyo R1R
Falken Azenis RT-615

I assume from your sig that you have an Integra. Here are the sizes available to fit your car:

15" sizes:
Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec 195/55-15
Kumho Ecsta XS 205/50-15
Toyo R1R 195/55-15 or 205/50-15
Falken Azenis RT-615 205/50-15

16" sizes:
Bridgestone Potenza RE-11 and RE-01R 205/45-16
Kumho Ecsta XS 215/45-16
Toyo R1R 205/45-16
Falken Azenis RT-615 215/45-16

The Star Spec and XS are both bargain-priced along with the RT-615; the 'stones are quite expensive, and the Toyos are in between. If I were buying for my Integra, I'd get the Star Specs for 15" wheels, and the Kumhos for 16" wheels.

 

I've been looking into those Star Spec and they look very sticky! Might get them for this up coming track season...

 

nsxtasy, could you explain in more detail why the Kumho ASX tires are better than the Toyo Proxes 4?

 

By comparison, the Kumho ASX offers:
- MUCH better traction and handling on dry pavement
- equal/similar traction and handling in rain
- somewhat better traction and handling in snow
- lower purchase price
- longer tread life

 

i have KDWs on my car, but it doesnt matter what i run nothing is going to get grip. they handle good i find. but even in hold weather they have to be heated up to get grip. but its like that with any tire. they are ok in the weather Nova Scotia has to offer. when i was living in Alberta it didnt matter what tires you had, when cold weather hit you were done. no tire will work in -40...

 

I use to have Proxes4 on my MR5s back then and they were really quiet, very responsive and are really sticky for an all-season tire. I would definately get them again.

I currently have S.Drives on my Longchamps and I can't say that they are better than the Proxes4.. but im not saying they are bad tires.. I just wouldn't favor them over Proxes4

 

I can. The S.drive summer tire will easily outperform the Proxes 4 all-season tire in any weather you are likely to experience in San Diego. (However, if it ever decides to snow there, then the answer might be different!)

 

I picked T1R. Proxes4 shouldn't even be considered!

 

T1R ftw!!

 

I've driven on the T1Rs and the Proxes 4. The only thing the Proxes 4 does better than the T1R is that it lasts longer. The Proxes 4 is a great daily driver tire with decent grip. I'd rather have more grip than treadlife so T1R is my pick out of the three you posted.

I loved the Bridgestone S-03s but they've been discontinued. The Bridgestone RE730s were also good all-seasons, the best I've driven/hotlapped on.

 

The Proxes 4 is also better when driving on snow and in frigid cold. Remember, the Proxes 4 is an all-season tire; the T1R is a summer tire. That's why the T1R is better in moderate to warm temperatures.

If you're looking for a "max performance summer tire" like the S-03, Bridgestone's entry in that segment is the Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Pole Position, and it's just as good as the S-03. However, they don't make the RE050A in some sizes you used to be able to get for the S-03.

The now-discontinued Bridgestone RE730, and its current replacement, the Bridgestone Potenza RE750, are summer tires, not all-seasons. Bridgestone's top all-season tire is the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position.

 

I forgot about the snow part since it never snows where I live!

 

To the OP. I'd go with the T1R for best grip, if that's what you are looking for. I currently own the Es100's, which are the older version of the s.drive. If the s.drive perform similar to the es100's. I would say the s.drive and proxes 4's are close. I found that the proxes 4's would occassionally hydroplane in heavy rain.

For grip (dry/wet), I'd rate them in the following order.

1) T1R
2) S.drive (however I'm going based my experience with Es100's, not the same tire)
3) Proxes 4's

Have you actually used the proxes 4 in the snow?? or are you just going by the fact its listed as an all season tire?

I've owned the proxes 4, and they are a no good in any type of snow. I got caught in some light snow once, and I was sliding. Good thing, I was 30 seconds away from home.