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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 05:17 AM
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Default Steel Extended Open Ended Lug Nuts?

Whats everbody running for a 60* Taper Extended Length, Open Ended lug nut in steel. I dont want to deal with the headache of Anti-Sieze then striping out the threads on some Aluminum ones. But ive got ARP Extended studs ready to go on so i wont be able to use my stock lug nuts.
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 06:01 AM
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We got tired of worrying about the aluminum lug nuts and went with these. They are GREAT, no popping or anything when torquing them down, they thread on with your fingers fine as well.
http://inlinefour.com/blrablchlugn.html
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 06:22 AM
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$92 holy DAYUM!!!!

These will work just fine for about $12 for a set of 20: http://www.lakeshorewheelandtire.com...ulge-Nuts.html

I'm sure any auto store would have something similar.

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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 02:42 PM
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I have J's Racing extended nuts and Project Kics Neo Chro because I am a ricer. Both are around 45mm long, and both are overpriced. The coating on the Kics seems much more durable than the J's.
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
$92 holy DAYUM!!!!

These will work just fine for about $12 for a set of 20: http://www.lakeshorewheelandtire.com...ulge-Nuts.html

I'm sure any auto store would have something similar.

[img]hxxp://www.lakeshorewheelandtire.com/store/images/products/c1302b.jpg[/img]
You missed the extended part.
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 07:36 PM
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Default Re: Steel Extended Open Ended Lug Nuts?

why the need for extended length nuts? Those pictured above work just fine with extended lug studs.
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DEIVIONCRX
You missed the extended part.
you missed that the cheap lugnuts are open ended too.

for the race car, we use generics as shown. its all you need.
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Old Feb 5, 2009 | 04:00 AM
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Nuts are consumables... Never had an issue with alunium
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Old Feb 5, 2009 | 05:21 AM
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Default Re: Steel Extended Open Ended Lug Nuts?

Id like an extended nut so i can have more threads engaged.
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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DEIVIONCRX
Id like an extended nut so i can have more threads engaged.
I love how one guy jumps in and tries to improve an area that NOBODY has ever had a problem with... Why don't you try adding another engine mount so your engine does not fall out?
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Old Feb 8, 2009 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DEIVIONCRX
I dont want to deal with the headache of Anti-Sieze
You should still lube the studs with a bit of anti-seize compound whether you're using aluminum or steel nuts. Dry studs tend to damage more easily, resulting in burrs, seized lugs, and broken studs.

Originally Posted by MSchu
Nuts are consumables... Never had an issue with alunium
You must never change wheels then. Those of us who change wheels at least twice per weekend at the track have sworn off aluminum lugs long ago.

If lug nuts are consumables, then it would be smarter to buy cheaper, more durable steel nuts than expensive fragile aluminum nuts, no?

Originally Posted by DEIVIONCRX
Id like an extended nut so i can have more threads engaged.
That serves no purpose whatsoever.
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Old Feb 8, 2009 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DEIVIONCRX
Id like an extended nut so i can have more threads engaged.
Are you sure it's not for the chariot wheel spikes look?

I believe the theory of thread engagement says you only need something like 6 threads engaged.

http://www.gizmology.net/nutsbolts.htm
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Old Feb 8, 2009 | 02:59 PM
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extended studs are for extra margin of safety in case the lugnuts become loose, you have more time to pull off before the wheel completely separates.

really the only reason.

extended lugnuts wont help with that.
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 08:37 AM
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Default Re: Steel Extended Open Ended Lug Nuts?

Originally Posted by Tyson
extended studs are for extra margin of safety in case the lugnuts become loose, you have more time to pull off before the wheel completely separates.

really the only reason.

extended lugnuts wont help with that.
also usefull for running spacers larger than 5mm
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Default Re: Steel Extended Open Ended Lug Nuts?

How do longer lug nuts make any difference when running spacers? Extended studs are obviously needed, but longer nuts still don't do anything even when spacers are used.
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:15 PM
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Default Re: Steel Extended Open Ended Lug Nuts?

i think he was referring to the longer studs, not lug nuts

and if you're really worried about nut spin-off you could alway drill a hole in the stud and safety wire them bitches on there...
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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Default Re: Steel Extended Open Ended Lug Nuts?

Originally Posted by Tyson
you missed that the cheap lugnuts are open ended too.

for the race car, we use generics as shown. its all you need.
I use stock GM dual-thread lug nuts (the dual is because they have outer threads to screw plastic caps over). They're all over salvage yards and most don't charge for nuts/bolts. You can find the longer ones that are about 1-1/4" long, and they're 60 degree conical and std 19mm or 3/4" hex. A lot of GM cars are 12x1.5 these days. The extra length is nice just so you don't have to drive your sockets as deep. Just find ones that aren't corroded and the seats are still smooth on them. (i.e. not impacted to death)

I'm cheaper than cheap. But they're easy to pick up when you're "shopping" for other parts. New ones are inexpensive as well.


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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 03:33 PM
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Default Re: Steel Extended Open Ended Lug Nuts?

I know this is old but I am bumping it because this thread comes up high on google when searching for steel extended lugnuts.

Like many other racers I may change my tires as many as 5-10 times in a weekend. And for this kind of use aluminum lugs can be a pita if you aren't careful. The gm dual thread lugs mentioned before are a great option. Also applied racing technology makes a steel and aluminum lug with a 17mm head which is great for extra wheel clearance:
https://appliedracingtechnology.ipower.com/products.php
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 07:06 PM
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So I have decided to go with the dual thread lugs just like court76wi is running. The applied racing lugs look great but I like the fact that I can pick the gm lugs up locally at any auto parts store.

If you are trying to look up these lugnuts you can search under 2001 Corvette Z06 (only 2001 Z06s came with these lugs, 2002-2004 Z06s do not). Also there will be a variety of lugnuts sold some are the dual thread some are not and since these are soo cheap I would pick them up locally so you can check which is which. They also sell 2 lengths, I went to an autoparts store tonight and bought one of each.

One is a shorter 28mm which looks like this:

The other is a longer 31mm which looks like this:


Neither is threaded the whole way through but the 31mm gives you 3-4 extra threads of engagement which is what I'm going with. The 31mm also give you more clearance between a regular impact socket and your wheel.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Davidss
The other is a longer 31mm which looks like this:
The 31mm lugs are the ones that I use (shown above in #17). Both have adequate threads but the extra length is nice...
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 12:41 AM
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why the heck is this even an issue? why would i want external threads on my lugnuts?

just go to the tire store and get 16 or 20 steel lugnuts. theyre really cheap.
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyson
why the heck is this even an issue? why would i want external threads on my lugnuts?

just go to the tire store and get 16 or 20 steel lugnuts. theyre really cheap.
Um, because they're longer lug nuts that are more convenient to use with extended studs. Especially if you road race or track your car. And GM just happens to make them with external threads - otherwise I couldn't care less either.

But if you can find some decent steel lug nuts that are over 1" long, readily available, and don't cost $90 a set please let us know...
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 08:52 AM
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length of a lugnut is irrelevant. adding more threads is trying to solve a problem that doesnt exist.
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 09:18 AM
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Default Re: Steel Extended Open Ended Lug Nuts?

Originally Posted by Tyson
length of a lugnut is irrelevant. adding more threads is trying to solve a problem that doesnt exist.
Actually, those GM lug nuts hardly have any more threads than the generic, short, steel ones do - about half the length is unthreaded.

Obviously Davidss sees the convenience of using them too, and just doesn't shine up his car for show and get groceries with it. And a couple extra threads doesn't hurt anything, although I do understand that only the first several threads absorb the load.

The last couple posts only deal about a longer, steel lug nut that's inexpensive to use. If you want to razz the posts further above about the engagement of threads and how many are needed go ahead. Otherwise don't give people crap that try to provide good tips and useful information.
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 09:22 AM
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heres a good tip. go to a store a buy lugnuts.
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