the original OP will post in here in a little bit.

 

Roflmao!!!

 

I'm just trying to help the guy out

apperantly he says he purchased a EF3/7 t-bar from me for his CRX....
and EF3 is the civic and the EF7 is the CRX
maybe he didn't know that.
And I don't know why I would sell a jdm crx t-bar when I don't even own a CRX let alone purchase CRX parts??

so maybe he can take pictures of the t-bar he has we can do some comparison to other members w/ jdm front and he can figure out how to work the thing. Apperantly it doesn't fit perfect but he doesn't want to modify it because it would take to much time out of his day. May I add he has had it for a year or so and it just now telling me this.

I'll let him fill in his story

 

USDM Civic and CRX T-bars are the same. I don't see why the JDM T-bar wouldn't be the same for Civic and CRX as well.

I've never messed with a JDM front, but from what I understand, even the JDM '90-91 non-SIR T-bar still needs to be shimmed.

 

the correct t-bar needed for the front end conversion is the ef6/ef7 tbar
but not just any ef6/ef7, it needed to come from the factory with the sir style front end.

ive done the swap, ive used the correct t bar, no shimming needed.

 

...and unless you know how to indentify them with any specific markingS you can potentially buy a EF1/3/6/7/8/9 t-bar.
And I'm positive unless you saw the car it came from you will not know.
but then end result being that people have purchased "the unproper" t-bar for their JDM front and made it work with no issues.
If you don't know what your doing then of course you'll be in the states the the OP is in.

 

He should just shim it and make that **** fit.

 

HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT, FROM WHAT HE HAS POSTED IN OTHER THREADS.
HE THINKS I SCAMMED HIM AND SOLD HIM THE WRONG PART.
SO NOW HE IS GOING AROUND TO OTHER THREADS SAYING I SOLD HIM A T-BAR THAT HE CAN'T USE. WHICH IS SO A STRONG WORD. I DON'T WANT TO MODIFY IT TO FIT WOULD BE THE RIGHT STATEMENT.
STILL WAITING ON UltimX AND SAY WHATEVER IT IS HE NEEDS TO SAY.


JUST A QUICK QUESTION SO THIS THREAD HAS SOME SORT OF TECH.

WHO OUT THERE OWNS A JDM FRONT ON THEIR CRX OR CIVIC AND KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT MODEL VEH. THEIR T-BAR CAM FROM??

WHO OUT THERE OWNS A JDM FRONT ON THEIR CIVIC OR CRX AND HAS HAD TO MODIFY THEIR T-BAR TO FIT??

WHO OUT THERE OWNS A JDM FRONT ON THEIR CIVIC OR CRX AND THEIR T-BAR FITS PERFECT W/OUT ANY SHIMMING OR MODIFICATION?? AND WHAT MAKE AND MODEL T-BAR ARE YOU USING?


JUST SO THIS IT OUT THERE.
I HAVE A SiR FRONT CURRENTLY ON MY CAR. MY FIRST JDM FRONT CAME FROM A EF1. MY HOOD WAS EF1 AND MT T-BAR UNKNOWN. NO MODIFICATIONS WERE NEEDED TO GET THE HOOD HINGE TO LINE UP W/ THE HOLE.
DO TO AN ACCIDENT I LOST THAT HOOD AND PICKED UP A EF8 CRX HOOD (I WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT THROUGH THE VACUUM PICTURE ON THE UNDER BELLY OF THE HOOD)
I'M STILL USING THE UNKNOWN MODEL T-BAR. MY HOOD NOW NO LONGER LINES UP PERFECT WITH MY T-BAR. SO I NEEDED TO EXTEND MY T-BAR OUT FURTHER IN ORDER FOR MY HOOD TO CLOSE PROPERLY. I ALSO HAD TO MAKE THE HOLE ON THE HOOD EXTEND BACK SO THAT I CAN PUSH THE LATCH FURTHER BACK.

JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT MAY NEED TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO FIT A JDM HOOD W/ A UNKNOWN T-BAR.
I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY WHOM HAS HAD TO DO THIS.
ITS NOT HARD TO DO. MAKE TAKE 10 MINUTES OUT OF YOUR DAY. BUT WHAT WOULD U RATHER DO, GO ON A ALL OUT SEARCH FOR THE RIGHT T-BAR OR WORK WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.
THAT'S ALL PERSONAL PREFERENCE THOUGH.

 

They aren't all the same, here's proof side by side....sorry for the crappy cell phone pic

notice the position of the round hole where the hood latch goes into?

 

I purchased what [B]you told me[B], Yes, I didn’t know that, which is why I asked you which one it was. That is what you told me. What does not having a crx have anything to do with the parts you sold me? How do you even know what tbar the car came off of? Obviously you don’t, because you can’t even identify the proper tbar.

The tbar I have is exactly like the usdm crx one that was on my crx except for the snorkel hole one the side. I know exactly what I have to do to make the crx tbar work and the one you sold me. I have to shim it and elongate the holes on both hood and tbar. Which is what I don’t want to do, I wanted to just bolt it on without modification because I didn’t want my car to look like yours, with parts that aren’t modified. It would take too much time out of my day that I wouldn’t want to spend time on doing since I was supposedly sold the right part for my car that will bolt in without modification to work on my crx with a jdm front. So what if I had it for a damn year, unfortunately like you, I don’t’ have access to billions of rare jdm parts because of where I live.

Yes, the usdm crx and civic are the same which is apparently the same as the jdm one which requires modification to make it work with a jdm front to work on a usdm crx.



I asked you and you told me it was the right one for it to fit on a usdm crx with a jdm front. Apparently you don’t know how to identify them because I sure as hell don’t, or why would I of asked you in the first place if it would fit and which one it was? I didn’t see the car it came from, you were the one I bought the tbar from remember? The part I put in bold letters is exactly what I wanted to do, no modification. Obviously you are in the same state as me so you don’t know what you are doing either. You sold me a part that you said would work but doesn’t. Now I’m confronting you about it and I’m wrong? I even went to PM’s first before posting on threads to try and get this sorted out but you didn’t want to work with me.



I don’t want to shim that **** and elongate the holes on my hood and tbar. Which is why I’m complaining about this because James, AKA vega_box sold me a part which said it should work without modification.


You did scam me calming the part would fit and work without modification but I now supposedly have to modify it to work correctly. Isn’t that what happened? YOU SOLD ME THE WRONG PART WHICH EVEN YOU DIDN’T KNOW BECAUSE YOU CAN’T EVEN IDENTIY IT. You did sell me the wrong part, if not, prove me WRONG! You’re the one who said [B]you didn’t care if I posted this is other threads[B], so don’t get all pissy at my because of what you said. I can’t use this part for the intention of what I bought it for, no modification required to make the jdm front work on a usdm front car, which is right because it doesn’t work because I would have to modify it. The bar you sold me even had elongated holes and I adjusted them in both directions and the hood still wouldn’t close. You already knew the tbar was modified and yet you didn’t say anything that it was modified. No that wouldn’t be the right statement because I bought the tbar from you and asked you if it would fit [B]without[B] modification and you said yes, so who’s fault is that? Not mine because you couldn’t identify the part you were selling since you know so much about the tbar “markingS”. Obviously some people like Deetz know which tbar to use, I didn’t which is why I asked. If you didn’t know why didn’t you just say so? There fore you scammed me because you said you sold me a part which would fit without modification but now I have to modify it because I’m soooo lazy and don’t want to do it when I didn’t buy a part I was suppose to modify.

I thought you knew how to properly identify tbars with the specific “markingS”? What the hell is that? I even put it in bold for you so you can read it in this last quote. I’m sure your not the only other one who had to do this. I researched this after I found out that I was sold the wrong part inorder to figure out why the part you claimed to have sold me wasn’t working. It may take ten minutes out of my day or even more. If I wanted to do that, I would of just made a custom tbar in the first place and I wouldn’t be in this mess. If it is so easy to sell for the price you sold it to me for, why don’t you refund the $60 bucks back to me, I’ll send it back and eat the shipping and you can sell it. Not to mention the shitty job packing this thing when I got it. He just put it in a box all loosely and let it flop around. Everyone knows that tbars aren’t strong, and if you don’t know and you spent time reading this thread, you know now. I bed to hell he isn’t even going to send me back the money, why in gods name would I buy a part for 60 bucks which is the same as a usdm one minus the snorkel opening on the side when I can get that piece for half or less of the price and modifiy that one? Even better yet, use my own piece? That’s what I did, “GO ON A ALL OUT SEARCH FOR THE RIGHT T-BAR” which you said would work and it doesn’t. You basically cheated me and sold me a wrong part and made money off something I could of gotten from a junk yard for half the price. Who knows? Maybe you got it for free and made a complete profit. I know that’s personal preference, but that isn’t the personal preference I wanted to do. I wanted to bolt it on with the jdm front and not have to worry about elongating the holes on my hood/tbar/radiator support/shim it etc.

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Thanks deetz


BTW: To the orginal poster, the thread title should be "I purchased a JDM t-bar from vega_box and he scammed me"


I do know what I have to do to make it work, I don't want to do that and make my car look like yours does and modify it.

 

wow that must be an expensive part for all this fighting geez

 

Money is money dude. I remember i installed a jdm front end for a friend, we had to shimmy it, it looked so ghetto, it was like 4 washers on each side, we even had to use a dremel.

 

It is money and this is the reason why I didn't want to do that, because I know it does look bad.

 

UltimX, send him the bar back.

Vega, send him his money back.

Problem solved. It's just a stupid freaking T-bar and $60. Stop annoying the rest of us with this silly bickering.

 

lmao pay the guy his 50$ back and take ur t-bar back, whoopty ****in do cry babys.

You sold a part that was not what you said. End of story, or you that poor.

 

Do you even know what hood you have and what model it is from??

How bout thats the problem and not the t-bar.

Take pictures of the t-bar so somone can possibly help you identify it since "i don't know what i'm talking about"

i don't just give back money because of ignorance or lack of knowledge

 

Yes I do know what hood I have and what model it is from. How about that it is the tbar because it is exactly like the usdm one which is the problem. Like I said before, if I would of known that the tbar was the same, I wouldn't of bought it in the first place and I wouldn't be in this mess. Also, if it is so easy to sell the tbar for the price you said it was, give me back the money I paied and i'll gladly send it back just like you sent it to me and you can sell it. I bolted up both and the hood portion on the tbar was in the exact same place as the usdm one. The only difference between the usdm one and the one you sold me is that the vent for the intake snorkel.

I'll get your damn pics... since you don't believe me and the lack of your knowledge.

 

Time for me to step in again......

For those who haven't seen, here's an important link to making a stock usdm style T Bar fit on a usdm car with an EF8 conversion.....hope this helps.

http://www.jdmuniverse.com/forums/ho...h-install.html

 

All that drilling and grinding is nonsense.
All you need to do is add a couple of washers, and adjust the latch stud/rod length with a screwdriver.
I did this on my car, as well as several others. And everything sits just as flush as on my own (real) EE8.

You're both ignorant. Neither knows what you're talking about aparenty.
For any scamming to occur, intent has to be present and proven. UltimX, stop crying. You're making an **** of yourself.
There is also a reasonable amount of time passed. And it's your own responsibility to check parts after taking posession of them, and letting this period of time lapse.

Just give the guy a couple of bucks back for his troubles, and be done with it.

 

thank you for that post


this the part I have been waiting for someone to say. Thank you for your post as well.
Its a factor sometimes when doing a JDM front, especially when you piece it together you need to modify the t-bar. If you don't or never intended on modifying the t-bar then purchase the hood and t-bar together so you know they align.


I had to do the same thing the second time around when I purchased another EF hood. And I have a EF t-bar

 

If UltimX asked for a specific t-bar and the one you sold him wasn't that bar, then you should refund him the money. If you didn't know exactly what t-bar you had, then you shouldn't had sold it to him if he was being specific. I can see why dude is pissed because I wasted my money and went out and got a EF8 t-bar when I could of just modified my stock one. So you made him waste a few extra $$$ when it wasn't needed.


One the other hand, vega_ROCKS, if you specifically stated that you didn't know and he still willing purchased it, it's out of your hands and I would tell buddy to screw off.

 

^^ agreed

 

 

see that the thing I don't think you understand. You HAVE to. If you purchased a complete front end together I could understand your fustration, but you didn't
You are piecing one together which means some of the parts did and will not come from the same model car.
If you read the post about the t-bar it notes, not all t-bars will line up with the hood and WILL require modifications. There is no way for you to know until you actually get the part unless you do like I said and purchased a JDM front complete.
You keep saying you don't want your car to look like mine...I'm not the only one in the US who has had to shim, cut or modify something to fit like needed.
You are saying you know what you need to do but you don't want to...
And you want me to give you money back, after it took you a year to figure you didn't want to make it work...
And you keep saying it the same as the USDM one when its not.

You would need to as washers to the US one and shim and hope for it to work. Only thing you need to do to the JDM that you are having problems with the make the holes larger to bring the latch foward.
You don't have 10 minutes to do this but you want to install a jdm front which will take a lot longer then 10 minutes to put on.

 

I don't have to. I ASKED YOU FIRST, and you said it will work without modification, no shims, nothing, it will bolt up fine and the hood will close. I specificly told you what I was doing before even buying the part. NEVER did you say I have to get the correct front end pieces that are from the same car. Just because it comes from the same model car DOES NOT mean it will work on our usdm front bulkheads. Obviously they are different or we wouldn't be in this situation. I'v read after I purchased the tbar from you that people who have the same model hood and tbar bolted onto the usdm crx for a jdm crx conversion, they have to modify their JDM tbar inorder to work FROM THE SAME MODEL CAR. What you are saying is invalid. You just said you need to have the correct model hood and tbar from the same car and it will work. You are wrong. That is why I asked you first if it was the correct tbar to use on a usdm front end for a jdm front end conversion. You said "YES" which is why I purchased it from you. If you said you didn't know, I wouldn't of bought this piece from you and we wouldn't be in this problem.

You are correct, You arn't the only one in the US. I don't want to have to shim the damn hood nor Tbar inorder to make it fit. Your damn right I don't want to because that is what I asked you in the first place and you said I won't need to. Yes, I do want the money back because YOU said it will work NOT stating what you are stating now. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, if it is such a deal that you sold me the tbar, YOU shouldn't have a problem selling the tbar to someone else. Refund my money, i'll send you back the tbar, eating the shipping costs, and you can deal with selling it since it is "so easy to sell" and it is a "cheap price". NO, I didn't want to shim it or anything in the first place, thats the whole damn reason why I asked you in the first place if it would work or not. If you didn't know it would work, why in god sakes did you tell me it would and not state what the hell you are telling me now? Hmmm, sounds like a scam to me.

Take a look at the picture I posted, its exactly the same, when I put the one you sent me on, I even moved it to the elongated slots on the tbar. the hood still didn't close, I even noted where the hood latch sat. I then bolted up the stock one and it was in the same position. How are they not the same? The only difference is the snorkel neck on the side that the jdm one has. Both land in the same position. So tell me how they are not the same?


I did move the damn hood latch foward and it still didn't work. I also stated that before but i guess you didn't read that so i'll say it again, I moved the hood latch forward and the hood latch was still in the same position as the usdm one. Its not the time that concerns me, its the fact that you sold me a part that YOU specificly said it would work without modificaiton or shimming or anything and it doesn't. If I wanted to shim it and elongate the holes, I would of just used my stock tbar and not bought your over priced piece since it is the same as the usdm one. Besides, the junk yard pick and pull is a lot cheaper than 60 bucks for a stupid tbar.