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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 05:17 PM
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Well, my ball joints and tie rod ends are not exactly happy so i thought i would replace them while i had my suspension all apart. My ? would be what brand is worth getting that is not honda? Im trying to not spend a **** load of money to get my car back on the road for now and i want to get something that will hold up for a pretty good while. any sugestions?

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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 06:03 PM
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anybody have any input?
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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i guess thats a no?
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 09:25 PM
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I've had good luck with 555/Sankei ball joints as an inexpensive aftermarket option.
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 10:28 PM
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i only recommend OEM.

maybe you can get the same quality directly as aftermarket. but i wouldnt know. i hear those ebay full kits wear out quickly. shrug.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 08:48 AM
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Moog is pretty good. But OEM is best.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 08:49 AM
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thanks alot guys, any other input? anybody running the "el chepo" tie rod ends?
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 08:59 AM
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thanks alot guys, any other input? anybody running the "el chepo" tie rod ends?
im running a set from murrays. inner and outers. no issues here. nothing is loose and its all nice and dandy. i need to paint the outers black though...will probably look much better.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:00 AM
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Don't buy the Ebay ones they suck. I tried them and the rubber boots ripped after 3 months. And you should not buy cheap brands for your suspension. Do it right and it will save you a lot of headaches later on.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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gotcha, just thought i would see what peoples opinions on everything were before i bought my parts. i know oem honda is the best but ive allready spent 1k on suspension parts to put on my 500$ turd so im just trying to save a buck to get my dd project car back on the road for a little while
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 11:04 AM
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i wouldnt skimp out on buying OEM parts.

maybe its just me, but i were to spend $1000, i would not have an issue spending more money on the best quality replacement parts for vital functions of my car, far before buying anything aftermarket like swaybars or whatever else youve been asking about lately.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 01:04 PM
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starting to run out of money after i already purchased everything is my only problem. got alot of the stuff ive been asking about because all of my other "upgrades" were pretty much replacements for the crap that has gone bad on my 274k mile car except the rear sway bar that was a christmas present. thats pretty much why im asking.

skunk 2 front and rear camber kit- $330
oem replacement for the same parts- $297.11 (within a dollar or so)
m factory shifter- $99.95
to replace oem shifter-$73.75 (yes my stock shifter wore out to the point i could move it to where it looked like it was in 5th when it was in 1st)
see what i mean?

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 02:13 PM
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I got an ebay upper control arm with balljoint and it squealed like a pig. Im not sure if it was the bushings or the balljoint but either way it was money wasted.

I would recommend Napa. They seem like a good compromise between cost and quality. I got some new tie rod ends a couple of years ago and they are holding up well.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by specialized108
starting to run out of money after i already purchased everything is my only problem. got alot of the stuff ive been asking about because all of my other "upgrades" were pretty much replacements for the crap that has gone bad on my 274k mile car except the rear sway bar that was a christmas present. thats pretty much why im asking.

skunk 2 front and rear camber kit- $330
oem replacement for the same parts- $297.11 (within a dollar or so)
m factory shifter- $99.95
to replace oem shifter-$73.75 (yes my stock shifter wore out to the point i could move it to where it looked like it was in 5th when it was in 1st)
see what i mean?
no, not really.

you didnt need a camber kit. you just needed a new balljoint for the front upper. would have come complete as well.

you didnt need to spend money on a hole shifter, if it was just the bushings in the bottom that needed replacing.

noobs make mistakes in buying. i bought a few things i completely regret early on.

but im just saying dont skimp on whats more important now.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyson
i only recommend OEM.
Tyson, I'm curious if you know the majority manufacturer for Honda's ball joints?
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by specialized108
starting to run out of money after i already purchased everything is my only problem. got alot of the stuff ive been asking about because all of my other "upgrades" were pretty much replacements for the crap that has gone bad on my 274k mile car except the rear sway bar that was a christmas present. thats pretty much why im asking.

skunk 2 front and rear camber kit- $330
oem replacement for the same parts- $297.11 (within a dollar or so)
m factory shifter- $99.95
to replace oem shifter-$73.75 (yes my stock shifter wore out to the point i could move it to where it looked like it was in 5th when it was in 1st)
see what i mean?
i know its too late now but if money is tight you should have just used the washer trick on the rear for camber correction. also you should have just got ES shifter stabalizers. that would have saved you over $200

What are you going to be using this car for?

I would also recommend NAPA parts. I put my lower ball joints on (although i think they were from autozone) about 3 years ago, they have around 10k miles and 50 autocross events (about 300 runs) never had a problem. i replaced outer tie rods with NAPA last spring but one about 3k mi and 13 autocrosses (65 runs) without any problems
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 03:29 PM
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Tyson, I'm curious if you know the majority manufacturer for Honda's ball joints?
nope.

i know they switch around mfgers as needed. not just one for each part. but when i order from the dealer, i know im getting the best. sure, go ahead, anyone can debate it. quality can be subjective sometimes. but its a safe bet.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 03:35 PM
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I use the oem honda ball joints but prefer the moog tie rods as they have a zerk fitting so they can be re-greased easily.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 03:47 PM
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I use the oem honda ball joints but prefer the moog tie rods as they have a zerk fitting so they can be re-greased easily.
I recently replaced my inner/outer tie rod ends with moog and im very happy with them. especially for the reason stated above. i also bought moog lower ball joints and those seem to be well built as well. as for the upper balljoints, i went to honda for the complete UCA replacements.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 03:52 PM
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we have moog on our racecar. havent driven enough to gauge it.

but repacking the grease is not a big issue... personally, we already had issue with one of the zerk fittings breaking off.

shrug.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:49 PM
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i know its too late now but if money is tight you should have just used the washer trick on the rear for camber correction. also you should have just got ES shifter stabalizers. that would have saved you over $200

What are you going to be using this car for?

I would also recommend NAPA parts. I put my lower ball joints on (although i think they were from autozone) about 3 years ago, they have around 10k miles and 50 autocross events (about 300 runs) never had a problem. i replaced outer tie rods with NAPA last spring but one about 3k mi and 13 autocrosses (65 runs) without any problems

-i have the energy suspension shift stabilizers and that was not the problem. my stock shifter was metal on metal for a very extreme amount of time, it ovalized the innards of it. so even after the es shift stabilizers it still would have not been any closer than before.
-as far as the rear camber kit, the parts are about the same to replace the parts with Honda as it is to get the camber kit

i guess i would say i will be mainly using this car in heavy daily driving, a lot of mountain and curvys/huge *** pot holes so i wanted to see what peoples opinions on parts were before i bought them

p.s. tyson, why would you spend a huge amount of money to just get oem crap when you can spend an extra $50 to get something a lot better(a.k.a aftermarket) ?

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theyre not better.

tahts the lesson.
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Old Jan 22, 2009 | 05:25 AM
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p.s. tyson, why would you spend a huge amount of money to just get oem crap when you can spend an extra $50 to get something a lot better(a.k.a aftermarket) ?
Very very few aftermarket replacement parts available through retail parts channels are "better" than an OEM Honda part, because they don't have to meet Honda quality and warranty standards.

Parts stores don't care if the part fails and you have to spend your own labor time to remove, exchange, and replace it. Honda cares if they have to pay a technician double warranty time and give away free parts twice.

This is why I always look for the OE manufacturer of Honda parts. Sometimes they will re-box the Honda-spec part and sell it under their own brand name at a similar or slightly lower price (i.e. Aisin water pumps, Mitsuboshi and Bando accessory belts, Denso oxygen sensors and alternators, Sanden A/C compressors, etc.).
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Very very few aftermarket replacement parts available through retail parts channels are "better" than an OEM Honda part, because they don't have to meet Honda quality and warranty standards.

Parts stores don't care if the part fails and you have to spend your own labor time to remove, exchange, and replace it. Honda cares if they have to pay a technician double warranty time and give away free parts twice.

This is why I always look for the OE manufacturer of Honda parts. Sometimes they will re-box the Honda-spec part and sell it under their own brand name at a similar or slightly lower price (i.e. Aisin water pumps, Mitsuboshi and Bando accessory belts, Denso oxygen sensors and alternators, Sanden A/C compressors, etc.).
i was talking about skunk 2 front/ rear camber kit compared to buying the same parts it replaces new from Honda
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Old Jan 22, 2009 | 08:05 AM
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this is the reason i dont post anything on honda tech, been a member since 05 and have 121 posts.....
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