Hello guys,
Is there any video other than the one "Tsuchiya Yellow/Blue AP1/AP2" posted?
I use to have an AP2 2007 in Orange county. Now I am living in Lebanon. I bought an AP1 2004. Yes AP1, because it has F20C2 engine. Europe version, and it's the best combination I feel, the 2004 newer look and F20C engine. Anyway, the big difference I noticed beside the 9k rev is the longer gear ratios. I liked it a lot more than my older F22C. Though, I am not sure about the power difference, is there a video to see which one is faster? the one that Tsuchiya taped was a bit biased I feel, since they made the F22C seem better because on the corners, the Tsuchiya (F22C) was shifting to a lower gear to exit from corner faster, not because the F22C is faster, if the F20C driver also shifted to a lower gear, it would definitely been faster. Therefore I tried on google, youtube, all sites to find a stock F20C vs F22C. Hopeless. can anyone help with that?

Thank you,

 

I dont own one but this has been my observation. Off the line, AP2 is faster with more torque/midrange with the 2.2L. Some specs online show faster 0-60 and quarter mile times as well. I think it depends on preference and driving scenario. You said if the F20C shifted lower he would be faster. True but depending on the track, he may not want to do so because he would end up on the high or very high end of the rpm band and may need to do a additional shift if there is a straight away which will cut into his time. So in the end that may be a wash.

Personally, I like the AP2 because with the AP1 from a dead stop, it takes too long to get to the fun rpms. Biggest complaint from most owners which is why they up'd to the 2.2L with better gearing.

2003 Honda S2000 6.3 14.9 (Manual)
2004 Honda S2000 5.8 14.2 (MT Mar '04)
2006 Honda S2000 5.5 14.0 (C&D May '06)

 

Nice BS times. Why does it point out that it was with a manual tranz? They are all just as fast in a straight line.

 

In the video that I was talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuTtLYhFJT4
on many corners the F22C lowered gear and exited faster while the F20C didn't. Eventhough, the F20C is the one who's able to lower gear more, since the gearbox of the F20C is longer. That's why in this video they were biased to show that the F22C is faster but it was only driving issues.

I'm still not with that F22C is faster, is there any other stock to stock video to show that better?

 

HAHA MT does not stand for manual trans. I assume that is motor trend magazine. I'm not sure what "Manual" means though... Maybe that's the factory manual... IDK

 

I know the web page the guy got the info from. Ive come across it while looking for times. The web page really slow times for every day and say AUTO for the ones that come in auto.

 

Funny... I always thought AP was the chassis code and didn't relate to what engine was in the car.

So, if a 2J is dumped into the S2000, does it make it a JZA80?

 

AP2 motor + AP1 transmission = best combination.

Also, I pulled a 14.20 with a bone stock AP1. Screw the magazines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BJRqXqQma8

 

I read the translation somewhere (I'll try to find it) and they said that even though the AP2 won, the AP1 had a better lap time because it didnt need to shift as much with the longer gears. They demo this at the end of the video. Notice around 5:31 that the Ap2 shifts to 4th while the AP1 stayed on 3rd. The Ap2 needed to shift back and forth between 3rd and 4th before it went to 1st on the turn. AP1 on 3rd the whole time, then down to 2nd.

So you can make an argument that the AP1 is faster on this course. But the AP2 will beat the AP1 from a deadstop start on the first lap.

Agree AP2 with AP1 tranny FTW, or up the Redline on AP2 to 8500rpm.

 

They're both great cars... idk why all S2000 owners argue over it. We should be on the same team...

 

because we're all haters

 

that and AP2's are better ;P

 

Not sure if this will help, but here is a video of a 2004 Ap1, vs a pre-04 AP1 (best motoring, tsuchiya, orido). http://revver.com/video/694030/s2k-m...gt-channelcom/

The video shows the 04 was faster (or at least tsuchiya was)...so with the same engine, you could argue that in general, an 04+ suspension/chasis design is faster on track. But I think any slight performance advantage any 1 S2000 has over another isn't that big. Except for the CR (btw, I kinda wish I had a f20c in my cr).

 

i've pulled a hamstring in an AP1 before...

I've only pulled a U-turn in my AP2...

go figure.

 

i just pull the laydeeeeeez

 

hahaha

 

Yes AP1 or AP2 represents the engine not the chassis.

 

true - mine's an AP1 engine on the AP2 chassis etc. - code in engine bay is AP1

 

anyone who has owned both knows the difference...

 

My first 2007 US version with F22C VIN JHMAP21447S??????
The number 7 in this VIN represents the year 07 (AP2)

Now I have the Euro version 2004 with F20C VIN JHMAP11304T??????
The number 4 means 04 (year) (AP1)

Both second generation look.
The second one (04) is missing the cruise control and the traction control.
I think it's lighter too.

 

dont mean to be biast because i own an ap2 but if you read up on the development of the ap2 it was all based on customers complaints of the ap1 so they just upgraded what people didnt like . one thing that did change thats not for the better is it lost its 50/50 wheight distrbution

 

1 - Did you ever drive an F20C ?
2 - In the video posted earlier, and eventhough the F20C driver did not shift well at corners, still did better lap time. That shows what? that F22C is better when it comes to more linear torque or smoother ride. Not because F22C is faster than F20C. If that was the case and if Honda made it as to be a better engine, why are they still producing it and selling it in Europe and other regions ?!?!?! It's a matter of preference.

Not to be biased as you are saying, drive both first.

 

apparently my sarcasm was missed.


So... your point in this thread was to... what now? you obviously posted in trying to prove something... prove it already.

 

anyone have the full version of this video?

Edit: nvm the whole thing is on there.

 

I want to make sure that Honda made F22C only as preference. Not because one is better than the other. That's why I was asking for a video stock to stock since the video I posted "which everybody rely on when comparing F20C and F22C" is not accurate. Is there an article online shows the right purpose? An official one? I searched but unlucky.
I would have surrendered to the fact that F22C is better if it's used in all region, but since Europe are still using it. I don't think F22C is better, nor more reliable because it runs 8k. 8k or 9k does not mean it lasts longer if it turns less.