"The Integra Type R features a 195-horsepower 1.8 liter, dual overhead cam, 16 valve VTEC inline 4-cylinder engine that puts out more horsepower per liter than any other naturally aspirated mass-produced engine in the U.S."

Is that statement still true today?

 

no. s2000.

 

LOL. Oh yeah, the S2000...

 

And depends on what "mass-produced" means...

Except the S2000, there is also the Ferrari...

 

s2000 is the N/a king...120 hp per liter...

 

Ferrari 360 Modena and Honda S2000 both have higher advertised power. What they all make at the flywheel is anyone's guess.

 

really...time for a dyno test...

 

I've seen a stock s2000 dyno graph and it weighed in at 200whp. That's 17% drivetrain loss which is within the accepted range.

 

how much does the s2000 weigh?

 

S2K's are fun

 

HP/L is the most overated measurement in the entire auto industry.

HP per Lb is the one that matters.

 

yeah but in terms of engineering, hp/L is impressive.

 

Okay, so who takes the Hp/Lb cake?

 

thats not to bad of a loss, especially for a RWD car

 

maybe a McLaren...sick horsepower with all carbonfiber body panels. I saw one this weekend at the Funk Flex car show, it belongs to Wyclef

 

That would be the weight of the engine not the car....
I'm also interested in the weight of the engines.

 

As long as it's kept in context I guess. When people start in about how "If Honda built a 5.0 Liter it would make 550hp", it gets ridiculous.

To make big HP/L you need to rev the crap out of the engine because a sub-2.0 liter engine os only going to make so much torque (HP = (torque *RPM)/5252). The same rule applies to bigger engines, except that it takes twice the technology to build a 5.0L V8 that'll spin to 8500rpm than it does to make a 4 banger do the same thing. Reciprcating mass is the big problem, you're flinging a lot of weight around at very high speeds, it would have to be built STRONG. A 4 banger has less weight in the internals and normal fasteners and bolts can hold it together just fine.

If Honda were to build a 550hp 5.0L engine that had a 50,000 mile warranty, it would come in a car that would cost well over $100,000.

HP/L is no indicator of a vehicles performance at all. It's only usefull in comparing normally aspirated engines of a similar displacement. When you start comparing engines of different sizes it means nothing.

 

Based on the NSX price, if they did that, I would say it would cost well over $500,000!

HP/L is fine and dandy, but you are right...it is normally the only defense the "ricer" has when someone states that their car is faster than his. "My car has 275hp..." "But, mine makes over 100hp/L, so mine is better than yours"!!

 

The new E46 M3 is up there too isn't it. I think the motor is a 3.2l and it has 330 hp.

 

Well spoken

 

It has 104 hp/L, which is still less than the ITR, so it must be slower!!

 

sure it must be slower for sure...haha..i wish

 

the new M3's are sweet...but you have to know how to drive it. My ITR with 2 people against the new M3 with 2 bigger people faired pretty well on the highway, the M3 creeeeeeped away from me just barely all the way up to about 120ish. From a starting line however, it would be a completely different story and ITR stands no chance.

 

get a short throw shifter in a new M3 , and it'll be a killer...gear box has long throws to my taste

 

I am confused...with a car with a wide and meaty torque band like the M3, you dont need to know how to drive it! Just mash the throttle and off you go. I assume you are talking about an E36 M3 because there is no way an ITR (unless HEAVILY modded) can come close to keeping up on the highway with an E46 M3.

I dont think any car company can match or improve upon Honda shifters. They are simply awesome.


[Modified by Yell00ITR, 8:51 AM 8/6/2002]