crash at Pocono
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crash at Pocono
I bring this up only because I hope we can all learn from this tragedy:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=357784
FWIW... I didn't know the gentleman and I wasn't at the event. But I'm sure any of us here would've gotten along famously with him and I'm damn sure it could've just as easily been someone I know. And I definitely know he didn't expect to crash, and his family didn't deserve the cruel result.
Granted: there is a big difference between driving a low-hp FWD car during an hpde on a dedicated road course and racing a T1 Vette during an SCCA National on a "roval", but the principle is the same... YOU CAN NEVER BE TOO CAREFUL.
PLEASE- keep it safe out there, everyone.
Sincerely,
Jon
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[Modified by getfast, 8:43 PM 8/5/2002]
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=357784
FWIW... I didn't know the gentleman and I wasn't at the event. But I'm sure any of us here would've gotten along famously with him and I'm damn sure it could've just as easily been someone I know. And I definitely know he didn't expect to crash, and his family didn't deserve the cruel result.
Granted: there is a big difference between driving a low-hp FWD car during an hpde on a dedicated road course and racing a T1 Vette during an SCCA National on a "roval", but the principle is the same... YOU CAN NEVER BE TOO CAREFUL.
PLEASE- keep it safe out there, everyone.
Sincerely,
Jon
safety before speed
[Modified by getfast, 8:43 PM 8/5/2002]
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Re: crash at Pocono (getfast)
Our Assistan RE called me on thurs last week and asked me to help out working that event...
For once in my life, I am greatfull to have had to be at the shop that day...
A great loss to the racing community... my thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends..
For once in my life, I am greatfull to have had to be at the shop that day...
A great loss to the racing community... my thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends..
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Re: crash at Pocono (jasyatz)
a friend of mine was at the track, and had a scanner so he even heard the conversation from the corner workers to control. I'm really glad I wasn't the one to hear that.
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Re: crash at Pocono (speedracer33)
BTW this was the second fatal crash in 2 weeks. There was a GT1 driver killed the weekend before at Road America.
Please do not quote me, but there are some other national SCCA drivers that are saying that Bob had a HANS sitting in his trailer and didn't wear it for the race. Whether or not this is true has no bearing except to say GET ONE (or a hutchens) as your next racing purchase.
Be safe everyone...
Please do not quote me, but there are some other national SCCA drivers that are saying that Bob had a HANS sitting in his trailer and didn't wear it for the race. Whether or not this is true has no bearing except to say GET ONE (or a hutchens) as your next racing purchase.
Be safe everyone...
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Re: crash at Pocono (RacinmySi)
Tim, I read the same thing over at SCCAForums on the HANS sitting in the trailer. I think they were unsure if he had his helmet outfitted for it. There was also some talk about a loose fire bottle but am not sure what bearing if any that had on the incident.
On this note, does anyone KNOW the effectiveness of a HANS device in a side impact? I have been talking with others and have been told that the Hutchens device is more effective for some body types than others. Us fleshier types don't provide enough resistance to the webbing from what I have been told where people with bonier body types are better suited for the device. This is only what I have heard and everyone should know to investigate much further than a statement as casual as I have just made before making a decision.
Irrespective of any of this, it is very saddening to hear of this tragedy and my most sincere condolences Rob's family and friends.
On this note, does anyone KNOW the effectiveness of a HANS device in a side impact? I have been talking with others and have been told that the Hutchens device is more effective for some body types than others. Us fleshier types don't provide enough resistance to the webbing from what I have been told where people with bonier body types are better suited for the device. This is only what I have heard and everyone should know to investigate much further than a statement as casual as I have just made before making a decision.
Irrespective of any of this, it is very saddening to hear of this tragedy and my most sincere condolences Rob's family and friends.
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Re: crash at Pocono (phat-S)
HANS is the most effective means of limiting head movement in frontal impacts. Open wheel cars utilize high, padded cockpit sides to provide adequate lateral support. Sedans need huge lateral head supports attached to the seats and cage to provide lateral protection. Looked in a Winston Cup car lately? Those huge head supports are there to pick where HANS and Hutchens give up. Those little stubby head supports they used to have just bend right out of the way in a lateral impact.
Go here to see the those big MF'in head supports:
http://www.butlerbuilt.net/page1.html
[Modified by Track rat, 1:43 PM 8/8/2002]
Go here to see the those big MF'in head supports:
http://www.butlerbuilt.net/page1.html
[Modified by Track rat, 1:43 PM 8/8/2002]
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Re: crash at Pocono (Track rat)
Rob Goldfarb was the gentleman killed. He was the president of a Time Trial club, COMSCC. http://users.rcn.com/comscc/index.shtml
I've run with COM a number of times and met Rob a number of times. He was a great guy; funny, bright, enthusiastic, charismatic.
The world is worse off with his loss.
I've run with COM a number of times and met Rob a number of times. He was a great guy; funny, bright, enthusiastic, charismatic.
The world is worse off with his loss.
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Re: crash at Pocono (pcorad)
i'm a member of COM and have gotten to know rob at a few events. we couldn't have had a better leader for the club. he was more excited about racing than anyone i know.
the first time i met him, i asked why his miata looked like it was dropped kicked on every panel with mismatching paint. he smiled and explained spec miata to me. i'll never forget how excited he was to share his stories about trading paint and getting punted off the track.
rob truly inspired me and surely will be missed by everyone that has ever met him.
the first time i met him, i asked why his miata looked like it was dropped kicked on every panel with mismatching paint. he smiled and explained spec miata to me. i'll never forget how excited he was to share his stories about trading paint and getting punted off the track.
rob truly inspired me and surely will be missed by everyone that has ever met him.
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Re: crash at Pocono (Track rat)
HANS is the most effective means of limiting head movement in frontal impacts. Open wheel cars utilize high, padded cockpit sides to provide adequate lateral support. Sedans need huge lateral head supports attached to the seats and cage to provide lateral protection. Looked in a Winston Cup car lately? Those huge head supports are there to pick where HANS and Hutchens give up. Those little stubby head supports they used to have just bend right out of the way in a lateral impact.
Go here to see the those big MF'in head supports:
http://www.butlerbuilt.net/page1.html
As a sidenote, the "Wright device" was just sled tested for the 3rd time and passes with flying colors, rated about the HANS and Hutchens. The designer works for NASA and was paralized in a SCCA wreck few years ago. He decided to design a device that was less expensive but still offered excellent protection. His plans are FREE and tell you exactly where to buy the parts and what the costs and part numbers are OR you can buy the kit complete for $200 ready to attach etc.
Information on the Wright device is here:
http://www.racingpress.com/publish/article_63.shtml
[Modified by Track rat, 1:43 PM 8/8/2002]
Go here to see the those big MF'in head supports:
http://www.butlerbuilt.net/page1.html
As a sidenote, the "Wright device" was just sled tested for the 3rd time and passes with flying colors, rated about the HANS and Hutchens. The designer works for NASA and was paralized in a SCCA wreck few years ago. He decided to design a device that was less expensive but still offered excellent protection. His plans are FREE and tell you exactly where to buy the parts and what the costs and part numbers are OR you can buy the kit complete for $200 ready to attach etc.
Information on the Wright device is here:
http://www.racingpress.com/publish/article_63.shtml
[Modified by Track rat, 1:43 PM 8/8/2002]
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Re: crash at Pocono (phat-S)
Tim, I read the same thing over at SCCAForums on the HANS sitting in the trailer. I think they were unsure if he had his helmet outfitted for it. There was also some talk about a loose fire bottle but am not sure what bearing if any that had on the incident.
On this note, does anyone KNOW the effectiveness of a HANS device in a side impact? I have been talking with others and have been told that the Hutchens device is more effective for some body types than others. Us fleshier types don't provide enough resistance to the webbing from what I have been told where people with bonier body types are better suited for the device. This is only what I have heard and everyone should know to investigate much further than a statement as casual as I have just made before making a decision.
Irrespective of any of this, it is very saddening to hear of this tragedy and my most sincere condolences Rob's family and friends.
On this note, does anyone KNOW the effectiveness of a HANS device in a side impact? I have been talking with others and have been told that the Hutchens device is more effective for some body types than others. Us fleshier types don't provide enough resistance to the webbing from what I have been told where people with bonier body types are better suited for the device. This is only what I have heard and everyone should know to investigate much further than a statement as casual as I have just made before making a decision.
Irrespective of any of this, it is very saddening to hear of this tragedy and my most sincere condolences Rob's family and friends.
so now I am fairly sure it was probably true that he had one. I didn't hear about a fire bottle, although I did hear it was side impact and the HANS may not have made a difference. I also heard that the corner workers at that station were very lucky to not have been seriously injured or killed.It is a shame to see and I hate reading about them.
Have you read the story about the Trans Am guy yet? Cut his car up in pieces and disposed of the day of the accident?
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