I am just kind of curious as the the benchmarks of this. I know these two cars are in totally different classes but does anyone have any experience as to what the outcome would be on a modded EP3 vs a stock 350Z on a track. Not drag, like actual race track.

As a guideline these are what mods the EP3 has...

Koni yellows with springs
slotted rotors with hawk pad and SS brake lines
AEM CAI, Megan racing header, magnaflow exhaust
rear seats removed (at time of race)
Reflash
Rear sway bar

This isn't like some argument I am trying to win against some friend or anything. This is just something I was wondering.

 

yea u will still get beat 350z's are fast what they are

 

Come on guys? Someone has to have tracked their EP3 and beat other pricier cooler cars? I am not bench racing I just want to know what class a modified EP3 can keep up with. Trying to figure out if I am building up a slow track car.

 

bench racing is back!

 

I said I am not BENCH RACING! This is no argument or competition between anyone I know. I just wanna know how modified EP3s do against other more expensive cars.

For instance... My friend has a 94 Mazda MX3 with a swapped JDM 2.5 V6 in it. The car is stripped, has basic brake and suspension mods with good tires and he is a good driver. He owns EVOs and STis, etc but his car is also making a healthy mid 200 HP naturally aspirated.

I just want to have a fun weekend track car but don't wanna be disappointed a year or two down the road when I am done building my car and find out I could have just bought a used "something else", spent less money and been fast. I know there is always that faster cheaper car but you all know what I mean.

 

this is bench racing.

want a fast car? BOOST. without boost, your k20a3 will still be slow. even with your mods, they pretty much make your car on par with a bone stock dc5. congratulations, you have an ugly car as fast as a dc5. with that said, please stop bench racing. if you don't think you're bench racing, then you don't know what bench racing really is. you don't have to make audible vroom vroom sounds in order for it to be bench racing.

p.s. you do realize that you rear seats weigh next to nothing right?

 

The track edition or nismo or whatever 350z has upgraded suspension specifically for track use.
a stock a3 with suspension is going to get pwn'd by a 350z on a road course.
the 350z will get into and out of turns a lot better, smoother and faster than a big heavy SI.

I thought Id put my 1.5 cents in since no one else is really helping you out.

 

Why don't you take a knife to a gun fight and that should help you find the results you are looking for!

Take your right hand... and slap across your forehead.

350z>ep3

/thread

 

guys don't forget it depends on the track to! Remember Roger Foo when he shocked the hole Speed Touring Car series by winning over his factory competitors!

Anyways this goes down as bench racing because DRIVER makes alot of a difference here... it depends how the EP3 is setup... but if the track has long straights well then the A3 is going to have a harder time(and when I mean harder I mean nearly no chance at all) then if its a short and thight circuit...

Why dont u just go one on one and let us know!

I smoke alot of better cars then my EP3 when I am at the track but that has to do with the fact that I am a better driver then most of those guys... but when I got a more experienced driver well then I just get my *** owned because I had just don't have the power to keep up...

 

x1000

 

Well... Come next summer I will be hitting the autocross/ track scene hopefully pretty hard since my EP3 is actually set up decently. I finally have upgrades that make it worth trying to race. So I will let you guys know!

Thanks for the support guys.

 

i did several runs against a 350z with my ep3
the ep3 had 220bhp and the 350z was stock
no chance for the 350z...

 

Yeah I was about to say, my ep3 R is almost half a TON lighter!

No chance for the Nissan...

 

it's why bench racers automatically think that is A beats B, then the car of A is automatically faster than the car of B. In amateur car racing, the variable of drivers is huge. You can have someone who pulls in a 2.5 60' or someone who pulls 1.8 60'.

 

On a road course things change a lot. Straight line speed is important, but isnt completely responsible for a fast track car obviously.

On a track local to me, I would hit 105 mph on the back straight in a DA integra with a b16 and some upgrades. A porsche 911 (carerra N/A) was hitting 120 on the same straightaway. 15 mph was noticeable but not a huge difference.

All I'm saying is that a car that has far more power in a straight line, might not make up that much speed on the track. Or less, than you might think.

On a smaller scale, look at the S2000 and the ITR. On the street the "S" is faster than the integra, and has generally more power. On the track, the difference is smaller.

 

Well I wasn't intending for this thread to start any arguments so maybe the thread should end before anything starts. And I do plan on supercharging my car so I'm sure that changes the whole perspective.

 

It will change a little but not as much as if you would get more seat time on a track!

 

HAHAHA, I hella laughed when I read this lol. But anyway, try checking out YouTube.

 

I know the Z is a good 10K more car than the EP but still. You guys make it sound like the EP3 is a piece o' sh** compared to a Z!?!

 

No but stock to stock the 350z is just better IMO

 

Oh yes. I know stock to stock the Z is better. They are amazing cars that have more than proven themselves. But I was just referring to what needs to be done to a EP3 to bring it up to par with 30K ish sports cars.

 

You'll need a sick coilover suspension setup and better braking power to make up for your lack of power. Winning races in underpowered cars is derived from late braking and harder turn in.

If you really want to win races, pay for driving lessons rather than a supercharger.

 

I don't see any point really in comparing a sub 20k economy car to an almost 40K? (with track package) luxury sports car. Until the GTR came out the 350Z was pretty much the best Nissan had to offer(barring ones ability to import a Skyline). Comparing the 350Z to the S2000 would be more feasible, at least they are in the same class. If you want to compare the EP3 to a Nissan I think the closest match would be an S14 240.

You could go out and boost your EP3, spend 5 or 6 grand on suspension, wheels, and tires. Another 3 to 4 grand on odds and ends to go with it. But in the end it will just end up being something unreliable.

If you want a fast car buy a fast car. Spend your free time on driving lessons so you can take advantage of it.

 

Says who?

Anyways, I have a buddy who autocrossed his 350z, sold it and went with a 2000 ITR. He was very impressed with my ep and said something to the effect of us racing next season.

 

yeah says who, why would it be unreliable?