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Old Dec 17, 2008 | 09:58 AM
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Icon3 So i have an ef9

And having issues with the wheels butterflying. Is there anything else other than camber kits that i can use ti get them straight (|) and not butterfly (\). Cause this is how they are right now (\) and i want them to be straight or atleast to a point where the hole tire is being used and not just only the inside of my tires. It is dropped, dont know how much but people have told me that for me to raise the car back up but never gonna happen, i wont do it i like the way my car sits! Give me a hand guys! Thanks

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Old Dec 17, 2008 | 10:10 AM
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well...for the most part camber isn't the culprit. It's your toe that you have to worry about; it's what eats your tires. Get it aligned and have the toe straitened out and you can have camber all day.

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nothing to do with your question.
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Old Dec 17, 2008 | 10:24 AM
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Ok so i align the tires first THEN. Whats the toe? Sorry bro, but im new at all this ****. =(
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Old Dec 17, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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You’re also new to the English language!

Long story short don’t ask questions, just get it aligned then look at the sheet to see what’s going on. You’ll have a ‘before’ and ‘after’ sheet - most reputable shops give both, but sometimes you’ll only receive the ‘after’.

“Smokinsax” is correct! Camber isn’t the killer of tires - yes it does wear the tires, but not as bad - toe is.

"*edit* lol at the thread title...
nothing to do with your question." I agree!!!

If you have an EF9 it was brought over and will be right hand drive!

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Old Dec 17, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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Put the car at the height you want it to be at and then take it to a SHOP and they'll align it for you with a computer tool. You can't align your car at home--you're dealing with fractions of a degree of alignment, which is too precise for you to eyeball.
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Old Dec 17, 2008 | 02:12 PM
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Oh alright cause i was thinking of adjusting the cambers and THEN take it to get aligned. But i guess alignment first then the camber kit adjusment.. Thanks for the help guys!
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Old Dec 17, 2008 | 05:17 PM
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Get the kit first!

If you can't install it or feel you don't want too have the shop do it, but do it first. if you don’t you’ll be paying for two alignments.
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Old Dec 17, 2008 | 06:38 PM
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Oh alright cause i was thinking of adjusting the cambers and THEN take it to get aligned. But i guess alignment first then the camber kit adjusment.. Thanks for the help guys!
Install the camber kit and you can just eyeball it. The shop will adjust it to any (specific) amount you want when they do the alignment. Just getting a camber kit won't necessarily help with your toe, which is important
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Old Dec 17, 2008 | 08:30 PM
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Other than raising the car, a camber kit is your only option. There are several different types out there i.e. ingalls type and complete upper arm w/ball joint. Do some researching(SEARCH H-T) Im sure there are many different opinions on which one works best depending on the type of driving that you do. In the rear you can also get a camber kit or you may be able to pull a "washer trick"(SEARCH this also).

Like previously stated the toe will wear your tires more than the camber angle.

Changing your camber angle WILL effect your toe. Therefore if you are going to install a camber kit do so BEFORE you get an alignment.
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Old Dec 18, 2008 | 10:56 AM
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I already have them on i bought some, i believe they are pvc or pbc something like that.
But yeah they are allready installed. The only one i have a problem with is with the driver side one. Wen i adjust the camber so the tire can be straighter (|), i drop the car back down but the camber kit hits the top of the fender. So i was thinking of grinding it down a bit so it can go in. If not, it wont let the control arm go all the way in.
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Old Dec 18, 2008 | 01:47 PM
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Can you post a picture?

FYI I've been driving around with -3.6 deg camber in front - yes, I have a front camber kit ;-) - for almost three years and the only thing I do is rotate my tires...
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 11:43 AM
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I dont have any right now, but il take some later. And yeah, today i went to an alignmen shop and they told me i have to change my tires b4 i do the alignment, cause both tires are really bad from the inside all worn out. And on the driver side one the wires are already showing! so imma wait till monday till one of my friends comes back to LA he has hookups for some good tires. Basically i just need the alignment and for them to fix my toe right?
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 05:19 PM
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It's part of the alignment. ;-)
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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I knew that. Lmao Alright i really appreciate the help man! I needed it. Lol Ur the new mechanic! Lol What would i do after the alignment? Adjust the camber kits? Oh i forgot to mention on the driver side, when i adjust it so the tire can be straight (|) the camber hits the top of the fender or frame or whatever lol should i grind it down so the arm can go all the way up?
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 91efsikevs
And having issues with the wheels butterflying. Is there anything else other than camber kits that i can use ti get them straight (|) and not butterfly (\). Cause this is how they are right now (\) and i want them to be straight or atleast to a point where the hole tire is being used and not just only the inside of my tires. It is dropped, dont know how much but people have told me that for me to raise the car back up but never gonna happen, i wont do it i like the way my car sits! Give me a hand guys! Thanks
Ok, your english is kind of hard to read...But this is what I think is wrong....These are what your tires look like(/)....(\) and you need them to look like this (|).....(|). But you aren't willing to raise your vehicle, so that will never happen, no matter what camber kit you use. This is your best bet! If you have coilovers adjust your hieght some, so that your front upper contol arms aren't slamming agaist your fender wells. In the rear you have the option to buy both after market toe, and camber kits....Get them! And install them, your alignment tech will do the rest...As for the front on older Civic's and Integras, they do have strut rods but the aren't the toe adjusting type...so that leaves only your tie rods to be adjusted...leave this to the alignment tech to do, as you don't have the proper tooling, and equipment or knowledge... Dont get your car aligned then install the kits...because you will defeat the purpose of getting the alignment. Get your kits and install them, raise your up...yes, raise your up! It's the only way...If your upper contorl arm are slamming on your fender wells, that's a big a$$ sign that you need to adjust your hieght genius! Or it can be that your springs and struts are jacked up! Post pictures, and take measurement for us, from floor to the fender down the center of the wheel, right down the middle. Then from the center of the wheel to first pinch mark...where you jack your car up from....Only then will we be able to help you better...

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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 08:51 PM
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What camber kit do you have?
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 09:09 PM
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Its pvs or pbc something like that. Let me try and find a picture.
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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Its these just not the same brand, the one on the right is different i got the one that looks like the one on the left.
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 09:28 PM
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They are "SPC" just found out.
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 09:30 PM
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You're better off not having a camber kit if you're using those. If you look at those and compare them to the stock ball joint you will notice an increase in height from the top of the arm to the top of the ball joint.

Here's a little secret - well not really. If you have a stock car and set your ride height to 4" from the jack point with driver. Your car will have +/- 3.5 deg in the front and rear.
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Old Dec 20, 2008 | 06:15 PM
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Awww wak. Wat a waste of money.. And i can put the stock ones on cause i mest them up. U know of any other good camber kits?
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 04:30 AM
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dude. spend the extra money on suspension. get the skunk2 upper control arm with camber adjustments. they are made to fit the EF like a glove and u can go as low as u want with no issues
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