i have a 90 HB and i just lowered it on some coils, i also put a front camber kit on it. but when i camber it back where it needs to be, the top of the A-arm hits the top of the wheel wield. I dont want to cut into it but im thinking thats what im going to have to do, any ideas please list.....

 

you can trim the inside of the frame lip or get the skunk2 kit or the ingalls ball joints, either one of them should help out your problem

-jason

 

I looked up Skunk2's camber kit, and their kit is that the top ball joint moves, not the hole a-arm. but is that enough to camber it back out? and also looked up those ingalls ball joints, but i got nothing...not sure what they are.

 

you dont need to add positive camber when you lower it.

the camber doesnt affect the tire wear, its insignificant. so dont worry about trying to even it out.

its the toe that you need to worry about and need to go get an alignment for.

 

I dont kno if toe would effect the wear of the inside of the tire. I drove it for a week and the wires where showing(only on the inside),that sounds like camber to me(i may be wrong). and also i want to add pos camber so i can get all of my tire on the ground, so i can launch agin. and it also looks bad.....

 

Bad info.

Yes, toe affects wear, but camber does too.
It also affects traction.

I didn't put on a camber kit and had the car slammed... camber was WAY out of spec.
After a few months the inside of tires wore BALD and outside of tires had lots of tread.

 

Thats what i also thought... but what about those ingalls ball joints you was talking about?

 

Yeah I this lowed my car but I did it with the SKUNK2 Struts and springs but anyways. I had the same problem and my dad this took an ruler and mover it I THINK 4" inches away form the frender..... IDK if that well help but that's how my dad fix it.

 

no really. it was your toe.

but whatever, continue to waste your tires.

i hope everyone will listen to good advice that toe is what kills tires and is what needs attention after lowering a car, not the camber.

if you want to even out the camber for drag racing, i understand that then. it certainly does affect straight line grip.

new skunk2 arms are the best solution to moving the camber as far out as possible before hitting the fender wall. but you still wont get even camber then, its only so much it can do.

 

bad info on camber.

i would have to agree with 4dref. camber also wears out your tires. it might not wear them out as fast as your toe being out of line, but none the less they will wear out.

i had a similar situation in where my car was lowered, and after about a year my rear passenger tire popped because of the negative camber. the inside part of the tire was bald, and the threads were visible throughout. however, the outside of the tire looked like it only had about 6 months of age.

back to your question. i would suggest you get the skunk2 camber kit. they run for about 200 bucks, but it's money well spent.

 

I feel for you Toad, just becuase their tires wore means they're right.

Camber on changes the tilt on your tires as you know. They lean in or out. An aligned car with properly inflated tires will not wear out camber, the tires are running straight and true and will be good to go. The reason the inside is first to show wear, is because it has more weight/pressure on it than the outside since it cambers in.

Toe is what wears tires because if out of spec, your tires are actually sliding as the roll. Think of an ice skate being turned a slight bit with the tow in. Shavings of ice occur and are pushed to the outside, same as the rubber from your tires, just a lot faster. This toe will wear the part of the tire making most/hardest contact which would be the inside if negative camber.

Just because you paid for an alignment, doesn't mean you truly got one. I have helped in a friend's alignment shop for trade of his work, and people would bring in some chevy vehicles claiming "I just had an alignment, but it still pulls to one side." Slide under and see that a plastic piece "guard" on some Chevy tie rods that HAS to be broken to access adjustment nut, was still intact. So what did they really pay for and how did they not use this adjustment? My point exactly. Use a reputable place that will give you a slip showing your camber/toe when borught in, and what it was set to on the table once finished. Harder to fake those numbers.

 

Here you go Tyson -
http://www.familycar.com/alignment.htm
But whater, right? Keep on wasting your tires as you say.

 

yeah, whatever for real. i refuse to get into another argument on this.

will you a least agree with change in ride height, camber changes. and with any camber change, toe changes?

and toe wears tires unevenly as well?

so therefore, you need to correct toe, regardless of camber, after you either change ride height, or change camber. yes? because thats all fact.

 

Been there, done that... for tire wear, it's all about total toe.

 

if you guys dont know...Tyson is the man on suspension and knows his ****.

 

just been around.

 

i know from experience that TOE is what kills tires the fastest, camber does, in fact, play a part in tires getting destroyed, but toe is your major factor that needs to be corrected. before i realigned my car i destroyed a set of RT-615s just over summertime, when i put it on the rack the toe was majorly out on each side, and my camber was only -1.5*

 

I had the same problem with my Revo from a arm camber kits hitting the top of the wheel well but this was a known problem and a hammer and some good hitting bent it enough out of the way so the a arm wasn't hitting anymore. Might not be helpful to this thread but that was my experience.

 

If the toe is out and camber, give yourself a couple months and your tires will be worn out on the inside.

NOW, if your toe is good and your camber is out, you can make it a year or two and then you'll have to flip your tires around (remount and balance) and get another year or two out of them.

Now if you leave your car stock or buy a camber kit and get an alignment, you can get even more life out of your tires, and save $$$$.

A alignment and camber kit will pay for itself, if you plan on owning your car for more then a couple years still.

 

Out of the experience, though little compared to most on here, you need to fix the toe and not worry about the camber. I have only ever aligned and fixed the toe on about 5 different Hondas and with rotating tires every other oil change over the course of a year and a half, no significant wear from having negative camber. Hasnt this issue been covered a bunch already? I swear this exact same thread happened not too long ago.

 

this same thread occurs weekly, its a deeply common myth and misconception. ppl see the wear angle and cant see past camber. when its really toe that is more sensitive and signicant but cant visually see it.

the arguments are always the same. you have no idea how many times ive seen that familycar.com article BS.

ppl who really know whats up know they need an alignment after lowering a car. its mandatoy. or you WILL eat tires.

 

I'm not in for an argument, but your statement is just false.
Camber wear on tires is NOT a myth nor is it a misconception.
It's real... I have proof and so do others.
You have taken to making statements that project the idea where camber does not wear tires and that toe is solely responsible.
You say "camber doesnt affect the tire wear"
That is NOT true.

Maybe that's why you are finding that you are being constantly linked to 'familycar.com' and other sites like
http://www.aa1car.com/library/tire_wear.htm
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...e.jsp?techid=4
http://www.yourautoadvisor.com/artic...alignment.html
I'm sure I could do a few tire manual scans for you as well, but why?

I do agree that toe eats tires FAST, but to say camber is to be overlooked and is A-OK for the tires is just flat out wrong.

Would you like a pic of my current tires?
I assure you that my toe is dialed in, but my camber is WAY off (car is dumped 3" off the ground). I do need a camber kit... and a new set of tires.

 

would you like for me to show you my pics?

really, [this topic is] not worth my time.

i dont care if anyone gets a camber kit or not. just get an alignment and you can think it was the camber kit if you want.

 

I'm not asking to be oh so worthy of your time.
However, I am simply asking you to not post false and misleading information.
You yourself said that you have simply 'been around'. That implies that you have not obtained any significant technical or engineering background to direct others regarding your personal view. Your personal view also contradicts proven tire wear models. Either you are on to something revolutionary in the suspension/tire world or you are just wrong.

 

lol.