As stated, Im heading back to the drawing boards for the 2009 Season. I already have Crome PRO, but with the lack of support and options. Im looking to upgrade over this off season.

I currently already have a Chipped P28, Ostrich V2, and a moates Hulog.

Basically for ECtune PRO all I would need is the software which is $199.99

I could sell my ostrich, and hulog for $200 and spend $150, and buy the Neptune RTP for $349.99.

So basically it all boils down to..

What software is easier to use/tune. What has more options? I know ECtune is a VERY great program, I've seen what It can do, and I know what its capable of, but the same goes for Neptune, Espically with RTP.

Tuners experience?

 

Honestly, you won't regret either option. They're both pretty easy to use and have the needed features to get the job done. eCtune is flashy and has a lot of extras that I wouldn't classify as needed, but they can be useful, and of course if you like the 3d visualization eCtune has it for you. NepTune is downright solid to the core. I'm sure you'll have a bunch of people chiming in both ways, but in the end it will come down to *your preference*. Enjoy the process!

 

This is exactly the reason why I support and tune NepTune almost solely for hondas.

I have never had a software problem everything is rock solid in the program. I couldn't ask for anything more when choosing a software to use. Nothing is more annoying than trying to tune a car and fighting with the software at the same time.

 

You mean the smanager do you ?
Lol, when you're trying to tune a car and after few hours the software crash and you loose every map you did before...yes its a bit annoying lol...

 

He was talking about NepTune, not SManager.

 

Yes.. i was saying that NepTune is a solid program.

I have had a few issues with the smanager and kmanager softwares in the past. But it is just annoying in general when you set it up to do something and it doesn't work.

 

I was saying Smanager about you getting some issues with bad software sorry for the misunderstanding my english is not perfect

 

I have used both and highly enjoyed using both systems.

both come with great customer service and a solid package.

 

Exactly, I know both are very SOLID programs. The only thing is I havent been playing around with neptune that much so Its something to get used to, but it seems more-so "outdated" compared to liek eCtune. The only thing I dont like is I cannot download a trial or anything of eCtune to see how the software is.

 

the software is very similar to Neptune IMO. I personally prefer Neptune myself. My car has had 0 issues since running on Neptune. I had a few issues when I was using eCtune that no one could help me sort out (a while ago now) and now can't even open the eCtune software on my laptop to try the latest version b/c the software expires I guess.

Either way, you're taking a nice step up from crome and you'll have great results with either system, one thing I like about the Neptune RTP board is that it all hooks up through 1 usb cable and everything hides nicely inside the ecu. I also find the datalogging/emulator speed with the RTP board incredibly fast! I have an awesome tuning laptop though, but have heard others compliment Neptune's datalogging/emulator speed as well.

 

- Demon: Datalogging and Emulation On-board inside the ECU, particularly for Honda applications. All-in-one approach of the AutoProm since 2003 will now be available on-board for the import folks. Compatible with Crome, eCtune, NepTune, and others. Target price is $200.

http://moates.net/

 

You left out this part:

The demon is not available yet and its support is not completed. I have not heard of a solid release date yet, but it will be on display at the PRI show next weekend.

 

Been using Neptune for 3 years on my car. Rock Solid program. Love all the features. James customer support is top notch.

 

Neptune is what I prefer. Great customer service too

 

We went 9's multiple times on the RTP, great system with great support.

 

Im not saying either are a bad program, but what one has the most functions? does ectune have outputs like neptune? Neptune seems a little harder to use compared to eCtunes "fool proof" settings.

 

Which functions do you NEED is the question...if eCtune, Neptune or another all have the functions you need, then it comes down to price and support.

All editor functions are listed on both sites...

Either program, once you get used to the shortcuts and layout...is extremely easy to use and efficient.

 

Well said.

 

Sorry if my questions are a bit ignorant... I haven't read about NepTune or eCtune great depth. Since I've started tuning I've been using Crome because it's free. I thought I'd give Crome Pro a shot, and I'll admit it doesn't seem worth it.

A couple people said the datalogging is quite quick with NepTune and eCtune ... what sort of interval time do you get between data chunks? Right now with Freelog I get around 100ms and Crome Pro is about 25ms. It's almost unnecessary, but I'd like faster data transfer!

Do you guys get good results from the boost controlling funtions (by gear, by rpm) in eCtune and NepTune as well? I was contemplating buying a EBC but they seem like a waste of money compared to what these products can offer.

 

The main reason I would prefer the RTP over eCtune is that there is only 1 USB cord vs the 2 on the eCtune.

I am looking for basically everything both of them have, PWM boost control, anti-lag. And ignition cut.

 

The boost control functions in NepTune are wonderful. They work flawlessly. I have setup a bunch of cars on this setup for the track. It is great to use when trying to get a 400+ hp car hooked up in 2nd and 3rd gear.

I haven't used eCtune's boost control, but I am sure it is setup similarly.

 

Are you also on PGMFI, 93turbod16?

 

Datalogging with crome is a single byte response for every request whereas both the RTP and eCtune provide all data at once. This makes it MUCH faster, and there's actually a slider bar to slow the datalogging down in NepTune.

The boost control works great on both systems. I'm pretty sure Calvin has worked out any of the previous issues with eCtune by now.

 

Thanks for the quick responses.... another couple questions....

- Can they both support a 0-5V wideband input on Primary O2 pinout with modifiable Voltage vs AFR tables like Crome (hopefully )?

- Can wideband input be used on different pinouts other than Primary O2 (eCtune testing?)?

- Can 0-5V linear wideband input be used for closed loop in both (eCtune testing?)?

- Is there datalogging playback (and/or live viewing) available that can be viewed in different formats (20x24 table, graphical, CSV output, etc.)?

- Ability to view/datalog different fuel trims and ign adv-ret (ECT, IAT, O2, etc.) to watch interactivity of the trims and adv-ret?

 

No need, you have 3 other inputs, but the primary o2 is capable of 0-3.86v.

You have 3 other inputs.

Yes.

Yes. Table and graphing for NepTune. No file outputs.

Yes, parameter trace.