I want to build a monster
Hey guys and gals, im brand new to this forum and i need your help. I have a 1997 Accord LX 2-door sitting in my garage and i want to make it my project car. I want the fasted strait line FWD car i can possibly have. I am thinking an H22 engine and transmission swap, Big turbo, all new internals, and totally stripped interior. I am new to modifying hondas and i need some peoples input. money is NOT an issue. So Im asking you all, how, specifically, can i make my car as fast as possible?
There are some basic mechanical priciples I want to interject in your discussion, and I hope you find them enlightening.
Although both the F22 and the H22 share the same displacement, they are NOT the same engine. Lets take the two and compare;
H22 has a larger diameter piston
F22 has a Larger Stroke
H22 is a dry deck / no sleeve block
F22 is a wet deck / sleeved block
H22 has a higher mechanical Compression (some JDM's reach 12:1)
F22 has a lower mechanical Compression (typically 9.0:1 to 9.5:1)
The H22 was ment for lighter chassis (Prelude, European/Japanese Accords)
The F22 was ment for heavier chassis.
The H22's Oversquare design lends itself to producing HP in the higher RPM ranges at the expense of Torque. That's why H22 specific transmissions have a steeper Final Drive ratio to let it spin quicker.
The F22 lends itself the greater Low-end Torque at the expense of high end HP. It is normally fitted with a Transmission with a lower Final drive ratio to keep RPM's reasonable on the highway.
The quick of it? In stock trim:
F22 better for Turbo. (lower compression and sleeved block)
H22 Better for All-Motor applications. (higher compression, over-square design)
If your ultimate intent is to boost a H22, find a set of low compression slugs and sleeve the block. The only thing left original may very well be the block casting and the crank.
P
Although both the F22 and the H22 share the same displacement, they are NOT the same engine. Lets take the two and compare;
H22 has a larger diameter piston
F22 has a Larger Stroke
H22 is a dry deck / no sleeve block
F22 is a wet deck / sleeved block
H22 has a higher mechanical Compression (some JDM's reach 12:1)
F22 has a lower mechanical Compression (typically 9.0:1 to 9.5:1)
The H22 was ment for lighter chassis (Prelude, European/Japanese Accords)
The F22 was ment for heavier chassis.
The H22's Oversquare design lends itself to producing HP in the higher RPM ranges at the expense of Torque. That's why H22 specific transmissions have a steeper Final Drive ratio to let it spin quicker.
The F22 lends itself the greater Low-end Torque at the expense of high end HP. It is normally fitted with a Transmission with a lower Final drive ratio to keep RPM's reasonable on the highway.
The quick of it? In stock trim:
F22 better for Turbo. (lower compression and sleeved block)
H22 Better for All-Motor applications. (higher compression, over-square design)
If your ultimate intent is to boost a H22, find a set of low compression slugs and sleeve the block. The only thing left original may very well be the block casting and the crank.
P
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Edit.... I love the "Money is not an issue" line...
If that's so why not jump on the K train....forget about H's & F's. Try a 50trim turbo @ 25psi bolted to a K24 out of an 08 Accord. That sould get you down a strait line pretty quickly. Probably cost ya 10-15k when all is said and done, that's parts & shop charges to do all the work.
If that's so why not jump on the K train....forget about H's & F's. Try a 50trim turbo @ 25psi bolted to a K24 out of an 08 Accord. That sould get you down a strait line pretty quickly. Probably cost ya 10-15k when all is said and done, that's parts & shop charges to do all the work.
Last edited by GhostAccord; Dec 7, 2008 at 10:17 AM. Reason: Added......Money is no issue line....lol
Edit.... I love the "Money is not an issue" line...
If that's so why not jump on the K train....forget about H's & F's. Try a 50trim turbo @ 25psi bolted to a K24 out of an 08 Accord. That sould get you down a strait line pretty quickly. Probably cost ya 10-15k when all is said and done, that's parts & shop charges to do all the work.
If that's so why not jump on the K train....forget about H's & F's. Try a 50trim turbo @ 25psi bolted to a K24 out of an 08 Accord. That sould get you down a strait line pretty quickly. Probably cost ya 10-15k when all is said and done, that's parts & shop charges to do all the work.
P
And what are it's 660 & 1320 times? After it slips through 4 gears! If that's your goal your looking at throwing another 10k for a decent crank to pavement suspention and traction setup to get a decent time down the 1/4 mile.
You must be in the oil industry to have 20K+ to burn on a weekend only 1320 car.....
Oh or maybe the crooked US healthcare industry.,..... take your pick they both rob from the poor.....
You must be in the oil industry to have 20K+ to burn on a weekend only 1320 car.....
Oh or maybe the crooked US healthcare industry.,..... take your pick they both rob from the poor.....
Edit.... I love the "Money is not an issue" line...
If that's so why not jump on the K train....forget about H's & F's. Try a 50trim turbo @ 25psi bolted to a K24 out of an 08 Accord. That sould get you down a strait line pretty quickly. Probably cost ya 10-15k when all is said and done, that's parts & shop charges to do all the work.
If that's so why not jump on the K train....forget about H's & F's. Try a 50trim turbo @ 25psi bolted to a K24 out of an 08 Accord. That sould get you down a strait line pretty quickly. Probably cost ya 10-15k when all is said and done, that's parts & shop charges to do all the work.
How 'bout this?
http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-corvette-zr1.html
Edit.... I love the "Money is not an issue" line...
If that's so why not jump on the K train....forget about H's & F's. Try a 50trim turbo @ 25psi bolted to a K24 out of an 08 Accord. That sould get you down a strait line pretty quickly. Probably cost ya 10-15k when all is said and done, that's parts & shop charges to do all the work.
If that's so why not jump on the K train....forget about H's & F's. Try a 50trim turbo @ 25psi bolted to a K24 out of an 08 Accord. That sould get you down a strait line pretty quickly. Probably cost ya 10-15k when all is said and done, that's parts & shop charges to do all the work.
u'll probably be running about the same time as a k24 boosted RSX with a k turbo setup. i'm not going to tell you how since there's tons of resources out there on how to build a motor and with money being no issue i'm sure you can pay ur mechanics to do all the work
**** a K... I gots a H22 (FULLY ****ING BUILT... As in FULLY) CD5 thats making 630 at the wheels, 520 on pump 92 on 17 psi, more here soon once i get the damn turbo sold so I can put biggeri njectors in it and the new 67MM Snail on it. It embarrasses Liter bikes on the freeway, and looks STOCK ... down to the hubcaps.
Id sell it for less tha 14 and its done up.. Correctly.
Once someone who doesnt know **** calls BS, maybe ill post some pics... if youre interested, and you have all this cash... You let me know.
Ill send some pics/vids your way. Ive always said if I could find someone i knew wouldnt pull ity apart and **** it up Id sell it for the right price (ALOT less than is in it- obviously)... Its ALL top notch **** from top to bottom... A custom one off setup thats clean as hell.
Id sell it for less tha 14 and its done up.. Correctly.
Once someone who doesnt know **** calls BS, maybe ill post some pics... if youre interested, and you have all this cash... You let me know.
Ill send some pics/vids your way. Ive always said if I could find someone i knew wouldnt pull ity apart and **** it up Id sell it for the right price (ALOT less than is in it- obviously)... Its ALL top notch **** from top to bottom... A custom one off setup thats clean as hell.
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