I've been reading a lot of threads in the suspension and wheel/tire forums lately since I got my Integra and can't believe the number of people who ride around with their cars lowered 3-4 inches and sitting damn near on the ground. Then most of these guys make threads about bottoming out on the ground, bottoming out or blowing out shocks, control arms hitting the shock towers, and tires rubbing the fenders or fenderwells. They expect everyone to come up with a solution to their problems, yet when they are told to raise the car and the problems will go away, they don't listen! "I want my car to be as low as possible, but it has to handle like a race car and drive like a lexus" It's not going to happen, the suspensions were not engineered to go that low!

What is the obsession with 'slammed' cars? Yes, I do have slammed in my screen name, but I made that when I had a civic back in high school. My car was lowered, but not even close to tucking tire and it was 'slammed' enough for me. You guys with your cars dragging bottom saying how the car rides awesome and handles great are lying to yourselves.

The teg I just got has Skunk2 coilovers on it and is slammed to the ground. I bought it thinking I could raise it up because its adjustable, but found I couldn't because the perches are seized. I also found that all 4 shocks seem to be blown and the car and shocks bottom out everywhere. It's the worst ride ever. The worst part is there are at least an inch of threads below the spring perches at their current height, encouraging people to lower their cars insanely far, well beyond the operating height of the shocks. I was forced to buy a whole new shock/spring setup and the previous owner didn't help me out one bit, even after telling me the ride was great and he would raise it up before I drove the car home (anyone know 'Pearl' on here? What a toolbag...). I was also promised I'd get the stock suspension parts, but I never did, so I had to spend way more money on GC coilovers instead of just getting H&R springs.

Sorry for the rant, but I figured this was as much of a 'tech' thread as the one with all the pictures of slammed cars. Congrats that you are destroying your suspension and making your car ride like *****, but please stop making threads asking for help to fix your crap when your stubborn self won't listen to good advice from people who know what they are talking about. It makes you look like a bunch of fools and just further proves the 'ricer' mentality.

 

Hmm, just as I suspected, no replies.

 

I dont see how they drive around like that. I have enough trouble with a 1.75 drop. Unless you live somewhere with perfect roads, you have to have some suspension travel. I admit that a lowered car looks better than one that isnt, but there is a balance. I think the cars running like -5 deg camber just to fit the wheels in look like a joke.

 

I feel you on it my man. There people who say they put coilover sleeves (or any other super stiff spring) on Tokico HP (blue) shocks and it rides "aw3some y0!!!!" Bullshat! I had a buddy who put Neuspeed Race springs on Tokico HP shocks and it was horrible! He then got Koni Sport shocks for those same springs and it was 100x better.

But having said that, I used to have GC's on my Koni shocks, and with 380f/450r spring rates, the ride was pretty bad on my 100-mile daily commute. I ended up putting my stock springs back in (stock ITR springs in the back) with the Koni perches on the lowest setting. Rides tons better now, but still noticeably lower than stock.

 

Ranting is pointless. I've been pointing out the same stupidities and inconsistencies for years, but it never gets through to anyone. I gave up a long time ago. If all someone cares about is the look of their car - function be damned - then I can't stop them. However, when they insist upon it at the risk of general public safety, or complain constantly about the problems that come along with it, that's when I get heated. Some of the most annoying comments are probably the "it still rides good!" or "it still handles great!" crowd, because they're too clueless and inexperienced to even know how wrong they are. The lack of knowledge and experience with suspension setups that I see in the tuning scene is appalling; people spend thousands of hours researching and building engines, installing body kits, or painting interiors, yet they won't take a couple of hours to read up on suspension theory in order to have the knowledge to know how to select an appropriate suspension setup.

Most of those kids will grow up some day though, and finally understand how misguided they are once they realize how petty and useless a "slizzammed ride" is.

 

ban the noob

 

Thanks for your $0.02

 

I don't think you should judge guys who rock slammed hondas because it's an American past time to have a bagged 64. It's just the modern hot rod scene, and you've got to let it go where it takes itself. I, Myself, understand the theory of "Form & Form" over glitz and glamor. At the end of the day, it just comes down to the person's preference.

Just my $.02

 

why u even create this thread? because u had a shitty suspension on your teg and u were force to buy new ones? that is why we have honda-tech, to help people and their car problems? everyone make mistakes, why do u think they make erasers for??

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- Most of those kids will grow up some day though, and finally understand how misguided they are once they realize how petty and useless a "slizzammed ride" is

 

My car is pretty low, but I can still drive it wherever I want to and I drive it to work everyday. If you know the roads you frequent and are careful it shouldn't be a problem. Stock blown shocks with Skunk2 coilovers are not going to have a good ride no matter what height you have them at...... My car rides like poo and I realize that, but I didn't build it to ride like a Cadillac and most people with Integras and Civics don't really care how their cars ride.... Someday when I have the money a nice set of full coilovers will go on my car.

 

Uh, it's all opinion of course. Me personally, I don't give a **** about superior handling, I'm not interested in "trackng" a car... just drive my **** on the streets. Super slammed cars FTW!

 

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my car is dropped quite a bit, and i live out in the stick with all kinds of bad roads, but ive learned to manuver around them. hell, just pulling into a parking lot is a pain in the ***, but i deal with it because i love the look. i have 450f/380r spring rates GC/koni, and it rides "ok", but having the rear shocks soft all the way helps ALOT. sadly, its worth it IMO

 

ever since i slammed my ride to the ground i never looked back. besides, a honda is meant to be slammed, especially with nice and rare rims. it is all a personal thing but i drive 3 inches off the ground everyday and cant stand my car being any bit higher.

 

I love the stance of a slammed car especially on a honda with lots of negative camber like a 1963 vw bettle when slammed.

 

You'll notice that an overwhelming majority of posters in favor of extreme low ride heights are both under the age of 25 and located on the west coast or in southern flatlands.

 

uhh no, a Honda is not "meant" to be slammed. If they were, we would have ***-loads more room under the front shock towers for suspension travel instead of the tight confines Honda gave us.

 

Slammers aren't really car enthusiasts, they aren't interested in their car for it's engineering, or the way it drives, but for the way they think it makes other peole think about them... it's a fetish item, a badge of cultural differentiation, not unlike a Punk Rocker's safety pin, 'name' brand training shoes, or wearing a tailor made suit with a tie (or owning a Porsche for that matter, most Porsche drivers not into driving the car so much as being seen to be driving the car...).

Within some cultural sub-groups the slammed look has an irrational value placed upon it, an unthinking 'coolness', an unwarranted 'steet-cred', to the point that nothing else really matters, not handling, not comfort, not safety.

 

West coast here.

Wish I was under 25 though.

 

what a WASTE of a post you just made. compare a slammed ride to a non slammed ride. what do you think looks nicer? i have seen a lot of before and after looks with mine and friends rides slammed and IMO, i dont like the way it looks when it is not low.
i love how OTHER PEEPS THINK ABOUT ME, like you. i laugh to see peeps waste their time with unnecessary negative comments.
like i said, some people like it and some dont, not everyone will agree on the same things but for you to come out and say we do it to make us look kool means that you fail to use your head wisely. keep hating cuz that is what puts fuel in my gas tank to keep doing what i do!

 

I actually agree with most of what John posted. Now I wouldn't exactly say that folks with slammed cars aren't really car enthusiasts. They're just a different type from those who are most concerned with safety, performance, handling, etc.

 

I like the look of a slammed car as well. I just wouldn't drive one.

 

people slamming = fashion over function

it is just another type of ricers who thinks slamming their rides would make all the people turn their heads and go "wow".

Come on now.. lowering for look?? that is just waste of money imo.

But then who's there to judge? right? it is their money being spent on their rides.

so +1 for you slammedexv

 

Exactly, it's utterly to do with perception. The slammed look is just fashion based on nothing else save convention, familiarity, and what people think their peer group will find most acceptable (like all fashion). I have no issue with lowering a car so long as it actually improves the car within it's intended context (i.e. the pros outweigh the cons case by case), which tends to rule out big drops.

The fashion victim may think they like it (the fashion, whatever it is) for no reason other than that they like it, but subconciously it's really to do with being accepted in the social group. I can remember thinking that I liked flared jeans when I was a kid (dating myself here...), but a few years later hated them because they were out of favour in the 'scene'. I now know that I didn't like them for their own sake, but because of what I subconciously associated with them, and it's the same deal for things like slammed cars (any fashion / fad really).

The genesis of the slammed look is in the lowered stances of many race modded sedans (which are as they are for good reason within their context), but it's been then taken out of context and exaggerated to the point of caricature where the slammed road cars are even lower than their track bound inspiration. On a road car it serves no purpose and is in fact counter productive on any practical assessment.

The opposite fashion statement is also popular with some in the 4WD crowd, where you see quite a few vehicles jacked even higher than the already high stock height, yet most of those vehicles will never see a dirt road. This is just as pointless as slamming (and dangerous), but just as defensible on aesthetic grounds (or indefensible...).

You never know, next year's fashion might be based on rally car fantasies rather than track car fantasies, and to remain cool thousands of people will have to buy longer springs...

 

Blame it on ebay. Too many sellers found that, they could sell cheap parts that "fit" 15 different cars, and make alot of money doin it. People buy into that cause their cheap. Why spend 2-3 hun $ when you can buy $30 adjustables on ebay? Good parts aren't cheap and cheap parts aren't good!

 

who cares??? you dont like it, dont do it to your car. i dont understand why people spend oogles of cash on jdm ****, but i dont make threads about it. cause its not my car, and i could care less. to each there own and f$ck the haters.