Alright guys, Ive been on the board for a long *** time, only been posting for about a year though, and i have learned that if someone needs honest opinions, h-t is where to look. Some times these opinions are pretty harsh, but at least they are truthful, and arent about living your dreams thru some one else, so thats why im asking for your honest opinion, wheather its good or bad, constructive or destructive, or even if your going to flame me keep it a truthful flame and ill agree with it

Okay, here is the sitaution, it should of been such an easy thing, but it got expanded and now im growing gray hair over it.lol..

For some time now, ive been putting away a few $$'s to be able to afford the jun head package. Anyways, i finally collected enough pennies to get the kit...and i got it at a GREAT price. All i need is the vafc and im set.

Anyways, ever since i have gotten these cams, i have gotten some negative feedback. Most of it is because where i live 9 out of every 4 (yes i know, im being sarcastic) people are mean *** haters. so getting to the point, all of a sudden im a moron for getting these cams. All i hear now is this:

-I wasted my money
-Im only going to gain 8-12 whp
-and I am going to regret it.

Ive also heard these stupid remarks
-My head is not "free flowing" enough for these cams
-I will damage my block


Now the alternative i have been getting is that i should of gone w/ Turbo, and how i would of been much more happier and a lot more cost effective. Cost effective yes, $ per hp wise, but i dont want turbo. All these people contradict themselves talking about the mechanics of the car.

Anyways, my concern before i tear my head off, is should i sell or not. I really havnt seen any real dyno numbers on these cams w/ a stock block, I am running these on my stock block. I got them at a good price, so selling them will not be hard. Anyways, this is where the TRUTHFULLNES of honda-tech comes in to play. I know its my car, but the opinions of fellow ITR owners matters, it really does. So are they worth it or not??


THANKS IN ADVANCE

 

Don't listen to those people who are talking crap on your new setup. Keep your JUN head package but don't install it until you get enough $$ for tuning and your v-afc.

BTW, would a v-afc be enough to tune the car or would you have to get a fuel pressure regulator?

 

You wanted <u>my</u> honest opinion, right?

IMHO, I wouldn't spend any money on cams, heads, valves, etc. I think car is plenty fast for what it is and I would rather save up money for a down payment on a faster car down the road.

That's my honest opinoin... but, each his own.

 

Don't listen to them. You will get more power when you do some tuning. My stock GSR baselined at 152 whp and 116 lb/ft last year. With the hondata basemaps and the JUN head package, I baselined at 179.6 whp and 126 lb/ft of torque. Of course I need lots of tuning, but it is getting done tomorrow

 

cosworth: To begin with I value that opinion, number one because its your honest opinion, second because that ran thru my mind also. But I am very young, I am 19 years old. I paid for the car with my own money, and I am not ready to save up another few thousand dollars and go thru another set of payments again.

Type R 599. I do have money for the tuning, and i do have money for the vafc and the FPR. Im not going to do a "half ***" job, im doing the complete head, not some micky mouse chit.

Any others..I.E. est. power??

 

Canuck: I am going to tune it, tune it like no tomorrow, im not going to put cams in and expect power gains w/out any tuning. I have already spoken to a few places and have enough shiny pennies to have it tuned. Are you using your stock block?? or not??

THANKS AGAIN

 

I agree. Playing with cams, headwork and the like may be fun but, lordy, the gains are miniscule. After a basic I/H/E setup, the gains are $100-$200 per whp on a Type-R, which is into serious diminishing returns territory.

If you want to go fast, buy a used S2000 for $25k, add a supercharger for $5k and you have an instant 300 whp or so.

 

That is true, but if all you care about is horsepower, there is always boost

 

I have thought of that already, but like i mentioned, I DO NOT WANT TO GO THRU ANOTHER SET OF PAYMENTS. I am only 19, i already paid off one car under my name, and i dont want to go thru the pain of financing another one. The idea of a s2k crossed my mind, but again, i dont like payments

Anyother opinions, other than another car??? I mean is the power worth it, anyone speak of first hand experience??

Like i said, before i got the setup jun cams were the best, and now they suck.lol..damn haters...all of a sudden boost is the way to go, now i know boost is the best bang for the buck , but i dont like boost, i drive toooo much to deal w/ boost.

 

any other opinions, i know there are a few people in here w/ these cams, if you would give me your .02 on this i would greatly appreciate it.

 

All motor mods do not provide the best bang for the buck, but I think most NA junkies realize that already...

I'll offer a different perspective; Kenny (Black R) has made some pretty serious upgrades to his ITR (Toda Bs, Hytech header, etc. + Toda clutch/ATS FD + a load of dyno tuning); he's gained maybe 30+ peak whp to date.

Just looking at raw numbers, you might say "hardly worth it" - but take a ride in his car and your opinion would probably change The mods have completely altered the "character" of his car (in a positive way), which to me is worth the $$$


[Modified by kengs, 3:36 AM 8/2/2002]

 

haha, unfortunately im a NA junkie, and i realize that it isnt the best bang for the buck. I have gotten a ride in a car w/ Jun type 1's and i loved it. That is a main reason why i started up saving up for the cams, but now im second guessing the decision due to all the negativity im getting.

 

Don't second guess what you have purchased Its some fine *** bolt ons. I would love to have what you saved up for and bought...
Like you said your going to get it tuned right and I think you will be very happy with the results, Don't forget that adding power to a car that weight so little will be a BIG improvment so son't get discouraged yet!

And yes there are cars that would give you more HP per buck but might not do everything else so well, Just remember you have a great all around car right now and not many people are able to brag about that. So smile and put the parts in so you could give us a video clip !

 

i tend to agree with this...i am 19 also...and paying for my car. I am also tryin to save up for some mods...but i am personally trying to do suspension first..just remember everyone has a different opinion, and not everyone is right. It sounds like you have thought about this for a long time and really wanted these products. So what is stopping you from doing it? A couple people....dude if youre goin to put in the wrench time, its gotta be somethin you wanted in the first place. do it.

[Dennis Miller Voice]but then again thats just my opinion. i could be wrong[/Dennis Miller Voice]

 

man forget the haters, they are the same ppl who post "wish lists" of mods and then see someone else who actually has the money to buy something, and then say that your setup/parts/car sucks...that they just said they want i'm sure you've done a search on jun, and know thier an awesome company w/ great cutomer serivce. the only ppl who say jun sucks and actually meen it are those damn toda freaks ...don't listen to these ppl saying... $x per hp..you dropped a lot of cash on what you wanted so just finish the job. i know you won't be disappointed once you get it tuned.

 

This is what H-T is all about

Im thinking the same as you guys, Like i mentioned it was hard saving up the cash for this, but i did, and im not doing a half *** job, im doing it the "right" way.

 

My opinion:

If you like allmotor, then go for it. I've got stock head and block, compression, etc... Spec B's and some other mild upgrades... It is a lot of fun for sure.

I don't know what the jun head package is though... Does that mean jun 3's, cam gears, and valvetrain?

You'll at least need an fpr/fpg and vafc or computer upgrade like hondata, power fc, aem ems, chipped ecu, etc...

With that, I can tell you that a local guy got 190+whp out of stock compression itr... but you will have to dyno tune with wideband o2.

Also, I'd suggest headwork - which will probably be my next step as well... Portflow is highly recommended, and I'm looking into that.

If you really want to pick up the power on the low end, a more agressive final drive will definitely give your car some kick.

I say since you've already spent the $, spend a little more to get the most out of it before you ditch it.

 

i say do what you want, save for what you want, and if you don't like the results of what you got, sell it and buy some more stuff! is it just me or am i the only one that is broke as a **** on these boards because of wasting money on my R?

 

Do you want ***** out fast or a fun car to drive. That's 1st ? to ask your self. Since you have the cams then go NA. I would throw some CTR pistons in there if I was you (Since you are pulling the head off). Raising the compression won't hurt. I think there are a few guys on here that are making good power with Jun III and II's.

Put it this way if you throw all that stuff in the head and you don't like it you can always put the stock stuff back in, sell the NA upgrades and use it to fund your boost project (Buy a beater just in the car breaks because once you pull the head anything can happen).

Good luck

 

I really really REALLY appreciate all the responces. I really do.

I also appreciate all the opinions on what else i need, just to clear everything up, i have everything i need, like i have also mentioned, im not going to just put in cams and expect hp cuz that aint gonna happen. I have taken and will take all steps needed to do this thing the right way.

I have thought about what i want from the car, im not looking to build something thats is going to be all out fast, im not looking for a 12 second car here, just some more power to play with.

btw: dont worry after the head im broke as chit too...i just put in a 12 hour day at work.

 

and some more power so you can finally hang with me huh?

 

I dont need power to hang w/ you, i need altezza's to hang with your ricer ***

 

 

 

Alex, you know im just messing with you

Any more opinions, any dyno sheets, cant seem to find any real dyno sheets w/ these cams.