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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 05:55 PM
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Default ---->Y8 head on Z6 block<----***FIXED***mods could you add this to the faq's thread

I tried the serch function but it's not working.I just put a Y8 head on my Z6 cause the po8 head was warped beyond repair and it was replaced with a Y8(pj2) head.And now I'm having some misfiring issues and hesitation in the lower rmp range.I installed a y8 dizzy cause the z6 would'nt fit.It has a new rotor,cap,plugs and wires.I read somewhere that I would have to use the cam gear of my z6 head is this true?Also the dizzy was used but the ignition module was new.

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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 07:39 PM
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I also read something about modifying the y8 dizzy harness but I'm not to sure what for.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 05:57 AM
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damn no replies,has this not been done before!
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:00 AM
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hey how does the timing look ?
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:02 AM
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in for some answers

i know that the z6 and y8 have slightly diffrent timing so you have to play with that
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:07 AM
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you have to use the original z6 cam gear, and time it at that.

but then i would just get a z6 head and everything would be easy.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by cashkeith
hey how does the timing look ?
it's at 16 with the timing light.but theres something wrong.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:30 AM
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plug wires crossed?
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 99civicftw
plug wires crossed?
I wish,but no I have checked it 5 times.I have the firing order correct.
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Match your cam with its correct gear, y8 with y8 and z6 with z6. If you have a y8 cam and a z6 adjustable cam gear, you need to advance 4.5 degrees. In your situation just make sure that you have a y8 camgear and be done. Then you have the timing to worry about and thats another bag of noodles to get into. Read all of this...especially the last post!!

http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41363
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Originally Posted by portenio78
Match your cam with its correct gear, y8 with y8 and z6 with z6. If you have a y8 cam and a z6 adjustable cam gear, you need to advance 4.5 degrees. In your situation just make sure that you have a y8 camgear and be done. Then you have the timing to worry about and thats another bag of noodles to get into. Read all of this...especially the last post!!

http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41363
good looking out man,there was alot of great info in that thread.I wonder why it's not in HT faq's thread?So this is what I gathered so far"you can run a z6 cam in a y8 head. just use the cam gear that matches your ecu. the cams are essentially the same....the notches are in the same place on them. the only difference is the cam gear."
How about the dizzy does it need to be modified?
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 10:06 AM
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The differences between the z6 and the y8 distributor harness is the plug. The wires are the same. The z6 has 2 plugs and the y8 has one...So Im not sure what generation civic your workin with, but your goal is to obviously make it so it will plug in. Usually people just swap the plugs by cutting and soldering.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by T3T4Honda
The differences between the z6 and the y8 distributor harness is the plug. The wires are the same. The z6 has 2 plugs and the y8 has one...So Im not sure what generation civic your workin with, but your goal is to obviously make it so it will plug in. Usually people just swap the plugs by cutting and soldering.
I got a 1993 civic ex.
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Originally Posted by jvillagran2000
good looking out man,there was alot of great info in that thread.I wonder why it's not in HT faq's thread?So this is what I gathered so far"you can run a z6 cam in a y8 head. just use the cam gear that matches your ecu. the cams are essentially the same....the notches are in the same place on them. the only difference is the cam gear."
How about the dizzy does it need to be modified?
You got it all wrong. When you mismatch cams and heads, you have to have an adjustable cam gear to put it all back in spec. Also the y8 and z6 cams are different. Just match your cam with its correct cam gear and time it correctly. That will get you close since your ecu is going to start messing with the timing...that where having something like an s300 will come into play for you to make timing table to match your needs.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by portenio78
You got it all wrong. When you mismatch cams and heads, you have to have an adjustable cam gear to put it all back in spec. Also the y8 and z6 cams are different. Just match your cam with its correct cam gear and time it correctly. That will get you close since your ecu is going to start messing with the timing...that where having something like an s300 will come into play for you to make timing table to match your needs.
are you sure...every thread I have read says different.Also I belive the y8 head that I installed has the y8 cam.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:24 PM
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Then you good...just make sure you have the y8 camgear and your done.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by portenio78
Then you good...just make sure you have the y8 camgear and your done.
well I got the z6 camgear cause everyone said to match it to the ecu.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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The timing belt is different on the z6 verses the y8 which are you using?

Which ecu are you using? are you still obd1? z6 harness?

Nevermind on the cam belt I see where you say your using the z6 cam gear..
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jvillagran2000
well I got the z6 camgear cause everyone said to match it to the ecu.

If its an adjustable z6 cam gear then your good since you will be able to advance it 4.5 degrees. If its not an adjustable cam gear then you going to be way off.
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by portenio78
If its an adjustable z6 cam gear then your good since you will be able to advance it 4.5 degrees. If its not an adjustable cam gear then you going to be way off.
no I got a stock z6 cam gear.Have you ran this set up before?
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 03:56 PM
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y8 head on z6 block I always use the y8 cam and y8 gear with y8 belt never had a problem
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nic
y8 head on z6 block I always use the y8 cam and y8 gear with y8 belt never had a problem
really how many times have you done this?How about the distributor I'm using one out of a d15b7 right now.But yeah the car runs like ****.
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Nic
y8 head on z6 block I always use the y8 cam and y8 gear with y8 belt never had a problem
I told you!
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by portenio78
I told you!
Damn everything I've read says otherwise,how about the distributor the z6 does not line up at all

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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 07:34 PM
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https://honda-tech.com/forums/hybrid-engine-swaps-18/massive-d16y8-head-onto-d15b7-8-block-minime-swap-writeup-2147115/

i don't know if this may help but it was in the faqs--it's for a d15 block though
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