like the topic says since the site went down i cant find the thread for cmp or ne pics from cmp this weekend??

 

I think the mods are still working to bring back some of the threads

 

doubt it.

 

times two.

 

so does that mean that all the for sale threads posted are gone too?

 

yeah it say's the last time i posted was 12 31-1969
lmao

 

i had a good time, although i didnt make it out there until about 3:30 on sunday. i didnt wanna bother any of you guys as everyone was finishing up and getting ready to head home. whoever had the py (with the stickers on the roof) and the cypress green integras i was the guy in the cw on 521. hopefully next time ill be out on the track with u guys.

 

Its BS

 

that is kool, i was like ... who is this guy (py) me

 

No. Things are gradually being restored. The missing threads are coming back and the truncated posts are being restored, and the huge FAQ in other forums have been restored.

People in here have been gossiping among themselves and concentrating on moving people to other forums instead of trying to help fix this one, so you're a little behind some of the other forums.

 

It'd say that until you posted.

 

Help.....hmmm, I normally would lend a hand
but after being flamed by one of the mods for no reason I kinda lost all motivation.

Hope this place gets fixed soon

 

George, do you think that those who have been here (for better or worse, OR both better and worse..) for a majority of the life of h-t should be happy and willing to lend a hand when long standing members have and are being banned for associations with sites that have been known about for quite some time? And... the site 'conversion' clearly was not even tested! I work in a somewhat related field and cannot imagine the consequences if I did such a poor job. Also, speaking 'out of turn' over here is getting a very serious response, don't you think? (If I'm to believe what I read)

Long ago all these people who are trouble makers/gossipers and don't currently (apparently) have h-t's best interests at heart made this place what it was, promoted expo, and brought a lot of traffic to this site.

Did it ever occur to you that the COMMUNITY is what mattered, and not flying the H-T banner? It's the people that make the community, it does not matter where the community resides. Especially when the community wants one set of rules and an open dialogue to discuss (rather than what I'd call being.. draconian) with the management of the board. The board management and owners may care to make revenue, but the users are the substance, without them, no revenue. I've never seen so many ticked off people all react at once. You seem to think they are all being swayed - I think they are just fed up. I spend almost no time discussing h-t or other boards, save for expo talk, and spend no time talking to friends who originated here, itrca, or at expo, about the stuff that is going on, and I have absolutely zero interest in helping here, when everyone is gone and the people that made the site are being talked about as if they are a disease.

So, it is easier to create another space where the community can flourish, breathe, and grow.

Sadly I don't think H-T as a whole has understood this for years, and I find it humorous that you are going to call the lot of these people 'gossipers' and infer that they are actively recruiting and moving people. Last I checked, I might get an email or a message of other sorts, but its MY choice what I do with it.

I don't care to burn a bridge, but this makes my acid veins boil right up to new heights. And I think its a real shame what has happened here over the years, especially lately.

- Chris N

chris - who just finished listening to Mahler's 2nd Symphony and now Night on Bald Mountain, which might have something to do with the blood boiling, but not all of it.

 

No, not necessarily. I know I'm not happy having to deal with all the upset people and having to learn the back end of new software.

What Mike and Dustin designed seemed just about perfect to me, and I do not like all the new stuff.

In the long run, maybe we'll be better off. But right now it's just a lot of stuff that I don't have to deal with that people are making me deal with.

If that makes sense.

So.... Unhappiness, I understand. But if your unhappiness causes you to strike out in an underhanded or otherwise actionable fashion, I am going to have to do something about it.

The last time people behaved like this was with the big blow up at Rely Net.

And my answer then was the same thing: It does not serve the people to throw the cards in the air, to upset the world instead of serving them where they are.

I'm sorry if you don't like that, but I am not somebody who throws the cards in the air without knowing that they will be in a better position when they land than how they were in my hands.

Yes, you should still be willing to lend a hand, regardless.

You love the people, or you don't.

Your limits are way too low.

 

George,

if directed at me:
"But if your unhappiness causes you to strike out in an underhanded or otherwise actionable fashion, I am going to have to do something about it."

I have nothing to do with anything in this. I have my feelings and everyone knows what they are, generally. They are just calmer than in year's past. So let that statement above be to others, not to me, because in my response I don't believe I insinuated that I'd be unhanding or undermining anything.

I think your comment about throwing cards in the air without knowing where they will stand - that is something that the site owners should have taken into account when they "threw" a perfectly running board in the abyss.

I love the community, or I did. I don't honestly know what I think anymore. My friendships remain and good memories of Expos and events in the past, but things seem to be shifting as ownership shifts.

I am sad to see people leave, get banned, or otherwise. But then again, I guess H-T was born out of fire and out of H-A.net, so I guess its expected to keep doing this, right?

 

I don't know what to say, Chris.

I sympathise with you, but it doesn't help the community for me to participate in ripping it apart.

Anybody at IB will tell you I did not want to do this.

But it's done, it's over, and we have to deal with it.

Don't know what else to say.

Let me tell you one thing, though: I think that the typical user, in the long run, is probably going to be better off with the new software.

I'm the one the most put out. Things that used to be two-button autonomous functions now take fifteen minutes of poking around in the settings.

I don't understand why if I'm finding a way to deal with it that younger, more adaptable people are having such huge fits about it.

I just don't know, Chris. I'm just not seeing it.

 

That was beautiful Clitz and directly on point. This is so true...
I almost shed a tear reading it. :thumbsup: