Building a race car, not street. Looking into coilovers. Trying to figure out which suits racing abuse, warrenty, reliability, adjustability, duability, etc, etc. Im not interested in sets that have remote resiviors (since those are illegal in SCCA ITR)

the car is a 2000 Integra TypeR DC2.

Ksport RR?
Koni's?
Tein?

need something hardcore and race proven! Input please!

 

zeal superfunction - probably the best coilover you can get for honda cars.

 

Did you just say "warranty" and "Improved Touring" in the same sentence?

 

Koni 3011 or 2812 or 2822 (if you are a real baller)

 

I'd personally go with the 3011s, threaded sleeves, and a set of Hyperco springs.

You can forget about any sort of warranty. Reliability, durability, adjustability, and available service are top notch though.

 

In With Koni's

 

i know im a nOOb here but i will vouch for the ZEAL's, a friend of mine has some on his EJ8 and that thing handles like its on rails!!!!

 

Silk Road rm-a8's or Tein src's. For a lower budget PIC select has a number of spring choices including rear bias (if you like a little overstear/angle-check driving). Teins come with warranty and rebuildable. So to does Silk Road I believe PIC offers a track only warranty also

 

I warranty everything short of bonehead usage.

 

thanks pic another + in your column for my delema. are yours rebuildable? repairable?

 

What is your budget?

 

IT legal + race proven + reasonable price for real race shocks + serviceable in the U.S. = Koni 3011

I picked up 2 seconds a lap on a 1:25ish track changing to the Koni's from a popular tuner setup. I race a TypeR in basicly IT legal trim. PM me if you want to bounce some ideas around.

 

Zeals are super expensive...

I'd go with PIC. My buddy has them on his Integra and their super nice. Plus, just the fact that they post in this thread proves that their customer service is awesome... Plus hes able to DD on them...

 

I may be wrong on this, but it seems to me that someone seriously into racing, building a serious race car, would not be concerned too much about a warranty. He/she would want high quality, reliable parts, but with the understanding that things do wear out and sometimes break, especially when subjected to race track use. Being able to rebuild said parts when the time comes is always a plus, too.

But wanting a company to replace or repair something for free when subjected to who-knows-what racing conditions seems to be a stretch. If you're worried about that, then racing probably isn't the hobby/profession for you.

 

I would have to say the Koni race + GC combo + tender springs (if neccasary).

Why?

- Rebuildable
- Adjustable
- Reliable
- Proven
- Inexpensive (for a full race setup).
- Eibach springs

If you were wanting to go "true" coilover, I'd reccomend the skunk2 ProCs which have also been proven out on the track (won multiple time attack events all ready).

 

What exactly is a "true" coilover?

 

people are starting to use the term "true" coilovers to those that have built-in coilover springs from the company like the ones you see on buddyclub, teins, PIC, Zeal, etc etc etc

Koni and GC are separated parts that you put together to work like coilover system.

 

"true" coilover usually refers to an adjustable damper/spring set that has threads machined into the damper body for height adjustment.

"sleeve" coilvers are just machined threaded sleeves that slip over OEM-style dampers.

While the GC's are sleeve coilovers, the Koni-specific versions fit and work so well with the Koni dampers that they essentially become a "true" coilover. While it lacks separate spring preload adjustment, some "true" coilovers do not have this feature, either.

 

So are we implying that "true" coilovers are a feature we should look for in a quality damper?

 

1. Because a lot of people are stupid and think this is better.
2. Because a lot of people think this is more "baller."

The point of the coilover thing is to allow height adjustment. Both do that adequately, which is to say: they do it. It doesn't matter that the springs come unseated with the Koni/GC thing when the wheel is at full extension because you will never see that circumstance on track. If you do, something has gone catastrophically wrong (you're airborne).

Other than Konis, I haven't seen anything "hardcore" or "race proven." PICs are sort of race proven (I don't know about IT though), and they do have fantastic customer service. Zeals are expensive, but not that great. Tein offers nothing, K-sport REALLY offers nothing even more.

If the OP is serious (maybe he's just uneducated) he needs to step up the game. If he's completely track inexperienced (I'm also sort of guessing this), it doesn't matter WTF he chooses, because everything will perform the same for him until he learns what to do with the car.

To actually be helpful, consider the following (other than the bling Konis):
-Ohlins
-Showa N1 (Spoon/Mugen)
-Moton
-JRZ
-Some that I've HEARD were good are Leda and DMS, but I've also heard of some problems with DMS shocks. I've never seen dynos of either, so I can't confirm.

 

The whole "true" terminology really sets me off. A coilover is a coilover. Threaded perches are threaded perches. There is no true or false, there is no right or wrong way. The only thing more annoying than the term "true coilover" is when a damper with X number of adjuster settings is described as an "X-way adjustable damper" - both are inherently wrong and are a strong indicator of cluelessness.

Absolutely not. Most sub-$1000 threaded-body damper sets that you'll see out there are pure crap. On the other hand, there are several dampers available in that price range without threaded bodies that offer performance far above the rest of the category.

Whether or not the damper body has threads machined directly onto it is not an indicator of the functionality or the quality of the innards.

 

the term "true coilover" is also called "full coilovers".

 

Hey guys, the point of the threaded sleave on the coilover body is so you can raise or lower the spring, increasing or de-creasing the weight on the corner of the car.

Check it out and see how proper race cars are set-up on corner weights.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eZhZS-...eature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N89-Pr...eature=related

 

You can do that with a coilover sleeve too.

 

One of the benefits of a "true" coilover is that they are much harder to mess up the installation. So there IS a right and a wrong way. Look how many threads there are here about Koni installation issues:

Drooping springs
wrong sleeves to go over the circlip
body too long and need extended top hats to prevent bottoming
spring perch installed upside down
top hat not put on right
wrong type of springs
bumpstop issues
etc etc