Hi all, I'm new here and I own a 1994 Accord EX with the F22B1 V-tec engine. I don't know much about hondas, and was wondering if I could get some advice about upgrades of any kind to get around 200hp? I've done my homework on exhaust/cold air intakes, but what else should I do to get those kind of results without a motor swap?

thanks!

 

Well.....
You've got:

Nitros
Chipped Computer
Turbo

In order of cost
You're not going to get much out of 2.2 liters without going a little 'maverick'

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you just need an H22 enough said....

 

Well I'm not really looking for a swap due to the pricetag that comes with it, any other suggestions?

 

...as you asked "without a motor swap"

It's at this point that I lament that Honda doesn't have a HP Crate Motor program thru Honda Parts Division.

But then again, you're not dealing with cars with engine compartments big enough to accomodate an engine, two guys standing and a case of beer. There's only so much Sh***t that you can stuff in there.

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Nitrous or a small 10psi turbo setup are your only hopes of coming close to reaching 200hp without breaking open the motor and doing some internal upgrades.

Swapping out the internals will give you much more range for HP increases. However it will cost you as much, if not more, than a stock H22 swap to get into doing that properly.

 

Yeah, the goal is to spend no more then 1000 or so on the motor just to push out a little more hp..any other suggestions? and what sort of internal work could be done?

 

Nothing at that budget for any kind of engine internal work. Pistons alone will eat up half the budget right there.
Maybe porting the head, a larger Throttle Body and a 'honk'n set of headers would start you off, but that's a K right there.

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seems it's almost cheaper to do a decent swap than fuss with the f22... at least thats what im getting from reading these forums.

 

yeah, its just I have heard so much about all the stuff that comes with doing a swap, I diddnt want to bother. I mean, is it really worth the h22 upgrade?

 

i have a 94 ex and im going turbo because everyone has h22 swap plus turbo u can always just up the boost plus u can slowly piece together nice kit from 1000-2000k u have two cut and splice the wire harness and u get less gas mileage with h22 tranny and there not as reliable in long term as f22 and parts are more expensive for certain parts like internal work if u go that route im on budget thats the reason for my choice and not many turbo f22 out there.

 

but I keep hearing that if I throw a turbo onto an f22 vtec, I'll blow my transmission?

 

It all depends on how you drive it and when you call for boost.
Highway driving; chasing down Maxima's, you'll never have a problem.
Off idle (or off line) you may tweek a few things; depending on boost pressure.

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i have the same car, is your auto or manual? mines auto...i was going to do a turbo but its not worth it, for 2200 you can get a complete h22 swap and it basically just bolts up...i looked in to everything man, my friend went the cheap way and bought a used turbo for cheap and now hes putting more time and money into his car that he wanted to...if you really really really want to turbo it, your looking at 2500 for a useful turbo

 

f22 automatic trannys are worthless, mines fixing to fall out...when i put it in drive it just sits there, it doesnt want to move, you have to give it gas for it to move, and my friends have my exact car and they all say that there peices of ****...

i was doing research on h22 vs f22...if you were to fully tune an f22, it would be just as fast as an h22 but your spending so much more money on fully tuning an f22, you might as well take the money and buy a integra gsr with a b18c and be putting off the same power...

those f22's have really good blocks, the heads are alright...if you rebuilt your engine youll probably get some more power...you can always buy new crank shaft(s) and cam shafts and get performance pulleys...

its just so much money to tune an engine thats not worth tuning unless you have money to waste...buy a nice exhaust to make it sound nice, lower it an inch or so, and drive it like it is

 

i have an f22 with pretty much every bolt on, and my buddy myk pulls away from me with his h22 with no problem, my h22 is laying around till i get a chance to build it.

his was dyno'd at king motorsports with bolt ons and a cat he pulled 198ish horsepower at the wheels, strongest h22 with a cat and bolt-ons they have ever done

 

Yeah my 94 accord is a manual 5spd. So from what I'm hearing, either

a- get a $2500 turbo

b- get an exhaust, drop it, and done

c- do some internal work? (that sounds like it would come to alot more effort then the engine is worth)

 

internals can take you to a whole differant level, look into bisimoto, not cheap but he can out do any h22 h23 with your single cam powerplant

 

My build
89mm bore Darton M.I.D. Sleeves installed for = $850 US
Custom stage 2 cam = $300 US
11.5 - 12.5 Pistons, Rods & 100mm Crank = $2500 (12.5:1 depending on combustion chamber CC's)
Complete valve train (Springs, SS valves, Ti retainers, Bronze guides = $750

So for approx 5k I will have a Freshly built 89x100 2.5L F22 In order for an H22 to have the same build. You have to start off paying 2k for just the block. So a fresh H22 build with the same type of parts as mine would cost you well over 8K. Why is that better? And if I want my head to flow better than an H I'll go out and get an F22A6 head and drop it onto my build. Probably pick one up around my house for $150-200 max.

 

And changing out for a set of forged 9:1 Pistons, a set of Clevite bearings, a polished crank, a high pressure oil pump and a 8-10psi Turbo will get you 200 at the wheel easily.
And if it's tuned properly (and not futzed with), it could last quite some time.

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treadstone performance sells kit for 1700 or u could piece it together, u could sacrifice fuel injector and fuel pump and run stock with like 5-6 psi and tune it with like 100 vtec controller. with a h22 you will spend 2k off the bat and you will be like like every tom dick and harry that has one, plus gear ratio u'll lose gas mileage, with most stock h22's run mid to low 14's with boltons f22 turbo on 8 psi should run 13.9 to 14.5 depending on car driver track conditions and such but if u get beat by one just up the boost 1-2 psi. imo if ur on a budget and u wanna save gas plus the convience of buying everything individually then turbo when ready plus the hassle of getting the wiring harness cut and spliced if u dont know how to do it ur self then thats a few hundred from local mechanic , i hate electrical work its the hardest aspect of working on cars, if u have a lead foot or not is also a big factor, i like being the underdog. ive seen a few accords run 12s with mildly built motor on like 15 psi which to me is pretty impressive sohc that weighs 3000lbs