Interesting story, I was comin home Friday night after meeting up with some fellow H-Ters and I'm going down a main 6 lane RD down here when I pull up to a stop light. I see two cars at a Texaco to the right of me, one is an S2000 and the other is a Civic. One person points at me and then two kids jump in the S2000 as I pass and they catch up to me. He is doing everything he can do to get me to run him (revving speeding up slowing down, you know the usual) but I just stay at my speed. I am approaching a new parkway and he has already stopped at the light in the middle lane, so I try to ditch them by makeing a quick right turn on to the new parkway running it up through 3rd, but he turns and gets right behind me. So I shut her down and they are still behind me on my *** and then they overtake me and pass doing about 80-90mph. Next thing I know, I see two sets of headlights approaching me very quickly. It turns out it's 2 cops, but they stay behing me for a sec and then one passes and gets behind the S2000 and the other cop just passes me and slows down. So I'm like great, I'm gonna get a racing ticket for trying to get rid of these ********. The cops then turn on their lights and take off. So I take a deep breath and go left onto the street at the next intersection and the S2000 goes right. He then turns around hauls *** up to me and his passenger pulls out a video camera and gets some footage of my face, and the driver starts revving again, I just stay my speed and they take off.

So I tell my story to a friend and he tells me it was probably the cops in a sting operation to bust street racers. They rev, get you to race and then pull you over or send you a ticket in the mail. Is this possible? Isn't this totally entapment? I mean, it was just odd the way he wanted to race, the cops showing up out of no where and then him pulling out a video camera on me. The driver was older like 17-18 maybe even 20 and the kid in the passenger seat looked like he was 15. They didn't talk to me the driver didn't even look at me, and after the cops took off, they look like they weren't even spooked and were back to the whole lets race idea.

I've heard of cops revving on you to give you a ticket but to actually race, break speed limits and actually persue you to get a race is inconceivable to me. I think this is somewhat of a good idea to get people to stop racing on the streets. If you think about it, to just get a ticket in the mail and have no idea how you got busted would make everyone think twice the next time they get revved on. I just want to know if this is illegal and what yall think about this. Thanks for reading the long post!!




[Modified by nighthawkR618, 12:33 PM 7/30/2002]

 

thats an awful lot of work just to get one person trapped into street racing. Just sounds like some kids being stupid and a to you for not falling for it. just as a side note, if you have a cell phone, it may be better just to call the cops and report the incident the next time something like that happens. Something similar happened to me one time, only the kids were drunk, and they chased me uncontrollably, crashed, and it was a big mess. It would have been a lot easier just to call the cops and let them handle it rather than try to ditch them. It covers your *** as well.

 

I've heard about them using one car to instigate races while a black and white waits out of sight to pull you over. It's not illegal and even if it is they can deny that the other car was a cop when you go to court.

 

I also heard that you can ask them if they are cops or working for the cops, and they cannot lie to you. if they lie and say they arent when they really are cops, then that is entrapment. if not, then "smoke em" haha jk be careful out there.

 

that's kinda scary. Undercover anything scares me.

 

ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.

In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:

- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.

- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.

- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.

On the issue of entrapment the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped by government agents.

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As far as street racing goes - you have to prove that they induced you to speed or drive carelessly - which would be hard.

Cops here in Vancouver are dressing up as squeegee kids to give people tickets for not wearing their seatbelts. A squeegee "person" will come up to your car and check the driver. They then radio down to a cruiser down the street that issues the citations. This is NOT entrapment as people were not induced to NOT wear their seatbelts.

The cops are also using a lot of unmarked vehicles (pickups, beaters etc) to monitor road rage, careless driving and HOV cheaters.

They are just doing their job IMO.

 

Police will do anything to make money. That is how they are trained/brainwashed. They're *****' and they don't even know it. Consider hooker sting operations. They use a cop to persuade a person to pay for sex, then they get fined up the *** or go to jail.

America is a great country, but a lot of rules and regulations are bullshit.

 

A few years back her in the Bronx area the cops were using a Z28 they seized from a street racer and were using it for a "race & bust" operation. A few guys I knew got caught up in that sting but at least one guy I know was able to have his lawyer prove entrapment, as a plain-clothes cop pull a gun on him after he wouldn't race.

 

They have a job to do, and they do it.

Geez.. I don't think it's them who's been brainwashed here..

Yep, guys driving around in an area with hookers and stopping to talk to them is definetely using the cop to persuade them to do it.

I guess you'd rather have anarchy?

You're an assclown.

 

But we're all little children who can't possibly be trusted to make thier own decisions in life.

I think that if the only person who can possibly get hurt from your actions are you, then there should be no laws against it. That goes for anything.

 

I think he was agreeing with you.. however.. your turn signal could cause an accident since no one knows that you plan to turn/switch lanes, etc.

 

NighthawkR618, and for staying cool and not giving in to those deusch bags.. I would've done the same, but would get really pissed and tell those punks to **** OFF or they might get BEATEN physically...

 

I was agreeing with you.

Oh and quit shouting.

 

You're wrong. Your death affects your family/people who care for you, and my insurance rates.

Jason-
who hates paying high insurance, and can't wait to start towing his show car

 

Nobody has the right to go through life without crying. Using peoples feelings as a reason to make a law about something is BS.

No they don't.

 

actually, i believe it does.. the insurance company having to pay out insurance payments to your family for life insurance, and on your car for the loss of it, etc.. this contributes to the rates for other drivers in your age group and those who drive the same vehicle.. insurance rates are based on safety ratings of vehicles, age groups, etc. All of these factors are calculations of risk for that particular person and car.. from that, they derive your insurance rate.. wrecking and dying causes more payouts, risk levels to go up, and as a result rates go up..

basically, the seatbelt laws were created to lower the number of deaths on the nations roads, and much more subtlely - help lower claims and payouts for the nation's insurance companies..

 

I agree, and never said anything about a law, just the deceased.

By wearing a seatbelt during a collision, he/she may be able to avoid post-collision:

1. Other cars
2. Pedestrians
3. Other property damage

Insurance rates increase not only because of theft, but because of damage to the above amongst other things.

 

I thought it was illegal to sit on the side of the highway to use the radar gun?

 

These guys weren't just instigating, they were definately raceing.

Whats keeping them from saying you started it, even though you didn't.

Thanks, but to tell you the truth I did speed, not to get into a contest with them, but to get away from them. All they need to do is have footage of me revvin hard and of me in the car at that time, 2 cops to say they witnessed it and there you go I was raceing. It puzzles me to think that my tax $$ goes to this. I like the fact that they are getting these people to stop racing, but from what I saw Friday, if they were cops they were worse than anyone on the road.

I'm sure if they were the police they would have pulled me over immediatly and issued me a ticket or taken me to jail. But from what some of you are saying, that you wouldn't be surprised, is scary!!!!

 

If it does, insurance companies can protect themselves by putting it in the contract that they won't cover you if you didn't have your seatbelt on at the time of a wreck. We don't need a law.

I wear my seatbelt every time I drive. I would wear it even if there was no law. It's common sense. I just don't think we need a lw to protect people from thier own lack of common sense.

 

uihhhhhhmmm no.

 

Common sense should also tell you that not everyone shares your "common sense".

 

You know, this should really be in Members Forum...

 

THATS ASSUMING THEY HAVE LIFE INSURANCE.

life insurance has nothing to do with it. if you injure someone in a crash, your insurance company pays their medical bills. everyone wearing seatbelts means less injuries, less money insurance companies lose, and less money you pay them every month. dont you even know what you are paying for every month?


[Modified by ITR Demon, 9:22 PM 7/30/2002]


[Modified by ITR Demon, 9:23 PM 7/30/2002]

 

I think the entrapment part of this whole thing sucks but as far as getting rid of all the ricers out there I think the sting rules mabe it will kill the scene a bit and we can go about our buisness with out all the cops on our *** all the time