I'm asking this because I have found the stock itr brakes adequate for mountain runs and even on a small road course such as little talladega.

I have added the itr braking system including abs to my EF hatch, and was thinking for r-comps that perhaps I could go with a little more agressive setup for autox and light track days/ mountain cruises.

With this in mind, I did my research here on h-t (shame on me) and called cobalt for the GT sport pads.

I bedded them and then took them to the mountains to try them out.

My first impression is that they have less initial bite than stock itr pads AND they don't seem to be better at stopping when you really clamp down on the brake pedal.

Now I did install them with a set of brand new rotors and went through the 'several slows from 60-10mph' break-in.

I'm disappointed that cobalt doesn't have a published break-in procedure and that I had to call and get a guy who basically told me - yeah that will work.

Then I did a google search and came up with this:

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/ind...37024

Well for $160, I'm just not sure my money was well-spent. I could have purchased hp+ for about half that easily. And of course I have to worry that I have the same compound as the s2k guy because I just got these recently.

So....... anybody else running this 'new' compound?























Modified by Black R at 6:45 PM 11/1/2008

 

I am using the new compound without any issues. I have had roughly 3 weekend HPDE's on them.

Cobalt use to have a bedding procedure with the old compund material but I did not receive anything with the new setup but i still broke them in.

Personally, I preferred the old material. And I will probably try another manufacture for my next set.

BTW, this is on my LS with 5lug and R brakes.


I believe the old bedding was:

60-10 3 times with mild pressure

let cool for 10 min

60-10 3 times with heavy pressure

let cool down

IIRC, someone on team-integra posted the directions.

Ali

 

Hm. I'm a little worried after reading that s2ki.com post.

I recently bought a set front and rear of the new compound, but it will be ~6 months before I can even bed them in.(None running caR) I ran the old compound and loved them. I hope the new compounds work out well for you.

 

Im confused. Are you using GT-S or the new XR compound?

 

I run the old stuff.... on the rear.

I'm hesitant on the new compounds so I found someone selling brand new VR's when I replaced the fronts.

However, I am going to try cobalts new line when those are gone.

 

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awwww. Now I see.

IMO after running 5 sets of GTS with no problems and several sets of VR's. I really haven't heard to many positives about Cobalts new compounds. I plan on switching brands when my current sets need replacing.

 

I never drove on OEM pads so I cant compare, but the newer GTS compound is awesome for me. They seem to clamp down pretty good on initial bite, and I have no problems locking up ABS with heavy pressure. I absolutely love these pads, and they worked GREAT at expo 8 even with the turbo setup on the car (high straight away speeds). I have a completely stock brake caliper/lines setup with ATE Blue fluid and dust covers removed.

 

I've been using GTS for years, the pads in use now are the new formula and I have absolutely no issues with them.

What are the GTS equivalents?

 

I will say that as a jdm *****, I did have some endless NA-R fronts paired with CC-X rears a while back. That was my best braking experience ever. That thing would scare the **** out of a passenger on a road course and give you the confidence to dive bomb anyone in the braking zone! hahah

I was kind of hoping to get something similar out of the GT Sports but so far it's like I have a 'lite' track pad and meh street pad all rolled up into one. :/

 

The old GT sports yes, I used to run them on the rears with VR's up front for DD, autocross and track. I even ran just GT sports all around before that for all 3 as well. Great combo.

When I drove on the old sports there was definitely a different feel compared to stock. But not lacking in braking ability. Maybe rebed them. And the old boxes did actually have a slip of paper that suggested bedding in procedures.

The new GT sports I was actually going to replace my OEM EVO pads with but after talking with Andie, he suggested Not to use/treat them like the old sport pads. From what I understand their initial cold bite has a higher temp requirement and or is not suggested for DD at all. Ultimately I went with Ferrodo DS2500's for the EVO but have yet to install them.

On the R at last years Expo I went with XR 2's up front and XR 5's rear which was a great setup for someone like me who likes way more brakes than I actually need. The only drawback to these new compounds is they are loud as fawk!

Someone had said that the XR 5's were in fact the new GT sport compound but I do not know if this is true. Back when I got the pads they were still pretty new. They may have solved the noise issue since.

 

I'm running GT sports front and back with ATE fluid and having no issues, had them at E8 and they were great. Dust and squeal like a bitch though lol

I think I'll buy something else for my next set just to get a different feel, maybe something with a little more bite

 

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These are the new compound correct?

 

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I'd guess because I didnt have these issues with the old ones.

 

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IIRC, XR3.

I also recall hearing that they are not very rotor friendly for daily driving unlike the GTS.

 

yes the new compound squeals like a pig. the dust isnt too bad but def more than the old compound.

 

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IIRC, XR3.

I also recall hearing that they are not very rotor friendly for daily driving unlike the GTS.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I thought the XR3 was closer to the old VR's? Dunno.

 

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Yes Mr. Teapot

 

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I could be wrong. I have beem known to confuse the 2 before.

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LMAO.

 

So do we have to ask Andie to make a Limted run of the old VRs again?
I really love them and still use them everyday!
I would buy as many as I can if he did
Did I mention, I love them?

 

I have been running Cobalt pads for a while now. I've never encountered any problems with any of the GTS, VR, XR3, XR2 pads I've run. New and old formulas, all were great and rotor friendly.

Ryan, if you ever have any issues with your pads when you decide to run them, please let me know. You'll be taken care of.

-Victor

 

Victor, which of the new ones is the closest to the VRs w/o going lower in performance?

 

The most common pad in comparison is the XR3. It's a great pad for Azenis and GTS in the rear. If you want to step up to R comps, the XR2 with XR5 rears will kick it up a notch.

-Victor

 

R comps w/ XR2 & XR5
Thanks.

 

Ken - my post is at the tail end of that thread.

I'm undecided what I will do in the long term but recently bought some HP+ to go back to next. I've got two new wheels, but am thinking of going with a different model (some Daylites or something new).

 

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Same here on both counts.

The old GT-Sport was my brake pad of choice. Keep in mind, my ITR is heavily tracked but I want to be able to use the same brake pads on the street as on the track. I loved the old GT-Sport because they didn't squeal, and compared to stock, they had a better bite. Since they're no longer available, I've been using the Hawk HP+ and I've been reasonably happy with them. I have a set of the new GT-Sport which I'm planning to put on the ITR before my next track events, which aren't till April, so I ought to have a report on them at that time.

As for break-in, most pads need the same break-in procedure, the one you can find in the Technical White Papers on the Stoptech website. It's VERY important, after you go through the series of successively greater stops, to NOT use the brakes AT ALL once you've got them hot, and to let them cool for a while, preferably overnight. Which means, after you get the brakes really hot, NOT using the brakes AT ALL on the way home till you get the car parked. (You can slow the car down as needed using engine compression in low gears.)