turbo or supercharge
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turbo or supercharge
I have a 06 si and i dont know what would be better for my car a supercharger or turbo. I have been looking at GT35Rs and comtechs. If i did get a supercharger hows much boost would i be able to push on stock internals? I want to have my car at about 430 500whp, i also want to be able to beat my friends 05 sti
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Re: turbo or supercharge (goku335)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by goku335 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...I want to have my car at about 430 500whp...</TD></TR></TABLE>
There is no way that you will be able to run that much power on stock internals. You have A LOT of work ahead of you if you want that much power. Take a look at this:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2355314
There is no way that you will be able to run that much power on stock internals. You have A LOT of work ahead of you if you want that much power. Take a look at this:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2355314
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you obviously dont know enough to even begin thinking of boosting your car. research, research, and then research some more. then maybe you wont have to come in and post these ridiculous question threads.
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Man, I thought I was a noob. 
You would be better supercharging since there is no way to tune your turbo at the moment. Atleast that way you can add some bolt ons along with the comptech supercharger. You arent getting anywhere near 400+whp tho ha ha ha
Epic fail though, good times good times
You would be better supercharging since there is no way to tune your turbo at the moment. Atleast that way you can add some bolt ons along with the comptech supercharger. You arent getting anywhere near 400+whp tho ha ha ha
Epic fail though, good times good times
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Re: turbo or supercharge (goku335)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by goku335 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I want to have my car at about 430 500whp, i also want to be able to beat my friends 05 sti</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: turbo or supercharge (100miles+)
Have you done anything to the car yet? Like bolt ons? Its really retarted if youre going to jump into modding something, and the first thing youre going to do is supercharge it, or turbo it. Im not trying to sound like a smart ***, but do you even know the difference between the two? Start at the ground, and build up.
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Re: (100miles+)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 100miles+ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Man, I thought I was a noob.
You would be better supercharging since there is no way to tune your turbo at the moment. Atleast that way you can add some bolt ons along with the comptech supercharger. You arent getting anywhere near 400+whp tho ha ha ha
Epic fail though, good times good times</TD></TR></TABLE>
e-manage. aem fic. even though they are piggybacks. better than nothing
You would be better supercharging since there is no way to tune your turbo at the moment. Atleast that way you can add some bolt ons along with the comptech supercharger. You arent getting anywhere near 400+whp tho ha ha ha
Epic fail though, good times good times</TD></TR></TABLE>
e-manage. aem fic. even though they are piggybacks. better than nothing
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOcqMOSvpRI
you can do that to your ride^^
gives you an idea as to how much it takes to blow a k20.
you can do that to your ride^^
gives you an idea as to how much it takes to blow a k20.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by goku335 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 06 si and i dont know what would be better for my car a supercharger or turbo. I have been looking at GT35Rs and comtechs. If i did get a supercharger hows much boost would i be able to push on stock internals? I want to have my car at about 430 500whp, i also want to be able to beat my friends 05 sti</TD></TR></TABLE>
Being the good-natured person that I am...**cough**....here's something you might find interesting. AJP turbo is your best bet although i've heard good and bad in terms of their quality. And expect to pay a pretty penny for this **** to.
Enjoy!
420WHP @ 9ish psi STOCK MOTOR. (Not quite 500WHP, but more than enough to beat ur friend's STi) Now shut up and accept it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2qZFrFwY7g
Being the good-natured person that I am...**cough**....here's something you might find interesting. AJP turbo is your best bet although i've heard good and bad in terms of their quality. And expect to pay a pretty penny for this **** to.
Enjoy!
420WHP @ 9ish psi STOCK MOTOR. (Not quite 500WHP, but more than enough to beat ur friend's STi) Now shut up and accept it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2qZFrFwY7g
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Re: (FA5civicSI)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FA5civicSI »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my friend just got an enzo .. if i got a race header, cai , nos and turbo with octane boost can i beat him? 
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Of course yo! With a 3/4 mile head start in a mile-long race.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Of course yo! With a 3/4 mile head start in a mile-long race.
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Re: turbo or supercharge (chiggin)
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There is no way that you will be able to run that much power on stock internals.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why not? Tuning aside Joe Sawyer of LoCashRcaing.com is running 500 on a stock K24A2.
There is no way that you will be able to run that much power on stock internals.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why not? Tuning aside Joe Sawyer of LoCashRcaing.com is running 500 on a stock K24A2.
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e-manage. aem fic. even though they are piggybacks. better than nothing</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know that but there not gonna give you good results especially with a turbo. Which is why I said he should go super charged that way he can do the bolt ons 2. Along with the supercharger, you can get some good gains.
Besides, this guys doesnt know what hes talking about. I would never tell a noob to go the turbo route. He might as well just give me his K20 so I can blow it for him. Theres so much stuff that can go wrong and any little thing could potentially ruin everything.
e-manage. aem fic. even though they are piggybacks. better than nothing</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know that but there not gonna give you good results especially with a turbo. Which is why I said he should go super charged that way he can do the bolt ons 2. Along with the supercharger, you can get some good gains.
Besides, this guys doesnt know what hes talking about. I would never tell a noob to go the turbo route. He might as well just give me his K20 so I can blow it for him. Theres so much stuff that can go wrong and any little thing could potentially ruin everything.
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Re: (100miles+)
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I know that but there not gonna give you good results especially with a turbo. Which is why I said he should go super charged that way he can do the bolt ons 2. Along with the supercharger, you can get some good gains.
Besides, this guys doesnt know what hes talking about. I would never tell a noob to go the turbo route. He might as well just give me his K20 so I can blow it for him. Theres so much stuff that can go wrong and any little thing could potentially ruin everything.
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why do you say that? I mean, Greddy uses the emanage for their turbo kit. I haven't heard about any real issues there.
To the OP: Read these books -
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maybe check out the forced induction sub-forum as well: https://honda-tech.com/zeroforum/16
You're not ready to turbo or supercharge your car right now as evidenced by your lack of knowledge that everyone has so kindly pointed out. That doesn't mean that people can't point you in the right direction to educate yourself. That's what this is about; learning.
It's fun to flame the noobs and all, but try and help. If not to help the OP, then to help the people that will find this thread through searching later.
I know that but there not gonna give you good results especially with a turbo. Which is why I said he should go super charged that way he can do the bolt ons 2. Along with the supercharger, you can get some good gains.
Besides, this guys doesnt know what hes talking about. I would never tell a noob to go the turbo route. He might as well just give me his K20 so I can blow it for him. Theres so much stuff that can go wrong and any little thing could potentially ruin everything.
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why do you say that? I mean, Greddy uses the emanage for their turbo kit. I haven't heard about any real issues there.
To the OP: Read these books -
and
maybe check out the forced induction sub-forum as well: https://honda-tech.com/zeroforum/16
You're not ready to turbo or supercharge your car right now as evidenced by your lack of knowledge that everyone has so kindly pointed out. That doesn't mean that people can't point you in the right direction to educate yourself. That's what this is about; learning.
It's fun to flame the noobs and all, but try and help. If not to help the OP, then to help the people that will find this thread through searching later.
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why do you say that? I mean, Greddy uses the emanage for their turbo kit. I haven't heard about any real issues there.
To the OP: Read these books -
and
maybe check out the forced induction sub-forum as well: https://honda-tech.com/zeroforum/16
You're not ready to turbo or supercharge your car right now as evidenced by your lack of knowledge that everyone has so kindly pointed out. That doesn't mean that people can't point you in the right direction to educate yourself. That's what this is about; learning.
It's fun to flame the noobs and all, but try and help. If not to help the OP, then to help the people that will find this thread through searching later. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I guess im rushing my answers since im in school. But anyways, if the OP knows what need to be done when boosting then by all means boost. If you just came in here trying to get crazy amounts of whp from one thing then you chose the wrong car to start with. I would have to say that supercharging might be the best result for him.
why do you say that? I mean, Greddy uses the emanage for their turbo kit. I haven't heard about any real issues there.
To the OP: Read these books -
and
maybe check out the forced induction sub-forum as well: https://honda-tech.com/zeroforum/16
You're not ready to turbo or supercharge your car right now as evidenced by your lack of knowledge that everyone has so kindly pointed out. That doesn't mean that people can't point you in the right direction to educate yourself. That's what this is about; learning.
It's fun to flame the noobs and all, but try and help. If not to help the OP, then to help the people that will find this thread through searching later.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I guess im rushing my answers since im in school. But anyways, if the OP knows what need to be done when boosting then by all means boost. If you just came in here trying to get crazy amounts of whp from one thing then you chose the wrong car to start with. I would have to say that supercharging might be the best result for him.
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Re: (100miles+)
This just seems like one of those "I'm bored, so I'll act like I'm serious about turbocharging my car, even though I really have no idea what I'm talking about" threads.
Major problem has nothing to do with internals or anything in the engine. It has everything to do with the little black box by your battery. Yes, engine management. You can't just slap on a turbo and run 18 psi. Bigger injectors are needed, which means different tuning, and last time I checked, Hondata hasn't released K-PRO yet. Yes, you could run a decent AFC, but not when you're trying to make 500+ WHP!!! Besides, where did you get that number, your local NAPA store, with some retard saying his sister has a 500 WHP boosted Si? Have you considered everything else that goes into having a 500 WHP car. You're taking the stock WHP and multiplying it by about 3x. Honda didn't design your...okay ready???
Axles, differential, internals, computer, throttle body, intake, suspension, brakes, fuel lines, clutch, flywheel, etc to withstand 500+ WHP. And unless you are part of some television show on Discovery Network or have about $20000 in loose cash, I would say this ambition was shot down from the second you uttered the word turbo and '06 Civic Si...
...I'm sorry...
Major problem has nothing to do with internals or anything in the engine. It has everything to do with the little black box by your battery. Yes, engine management. You can't just slap on a turbo and run 18 psi. Bigger injectors are needed, which means different tuning, and last time I checked, Hondata hasn't released K-PRO yet. Yes, you could run a decent AFC, but not when you're trying to make 500+ WHP!!! Besides, where did you get that number, your local NAPA store, with some retard saying his sister has a 500 WHP boosted Si? Have you considered everything else that goes into having a 500 WHP car. You're taking the stock WHP and multiplying it by about 3x. Honda didn't design your...okay ready???
Axles, differential, internals, computer, throttle body, intake, suspension, brakes, fuel lines, clutch, flywheel, etc to withstand 500+ WHP. And unless you are part of some television show on Discovery Network or have about $20000 in loose cash, I would say this ambition was shot down from the second you uttered the word turbo and '06 Civic Si...
...I'm sorry...
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O RLY,
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It's fun to flame the noobs and all, but try and help. If not to help the OP, then to help the people that will find this thread through searching later. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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It's fun to flame the noobs and all, but try and help. If not to help the OP, then to help the people that will find this thread through searching later. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Some people on here seem to think that without stand alone you can't gain any power with a turbo kit and this is a huge misconception.
All you really need is the right sized turbo and a way to tune the air fuel ratio. While tuning cam angles and what not are a huge plus but adding power with turbo and a way to tune the AFR is much more straight forward versus all motor in my opinion.
All you really need is the right sized turbo and a way to tune the air fuel ratio. While tuning cam angles and what not are a huge plus but adding power with turbo and a way to tune the AFR is much more straight forward versus all motor in my opinion.
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Re: turbo or supercharge (Kidnkorner)
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Why not? Tuning aside Joe Sawyer of LoCashRcaing.com is running 500 on a stock K24A2.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not trying to be an *** or anything, but the Si engine is a K20Z3.....not a K24A2.
Also....is there info about his setup on the website? I can't pull it up at work and I would like to read about it.......sounds like fun
Why not? Tuning aside Joe Sawyer of LoCashRcaing.com is running 500 on a stock K24A2.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not trying to be an *** or anything, but the Si engine is a K20Z3.....not a K24A2.
Also....is there info about his setup on the website? I can't pull it up at work and I would like to read about it.......sounds like fun
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Re: turbo or supercharge (chiggin)
I dont see your point, different bore and stroke, how is that going to change anything?
lets be real, if you can tune the AFR and eliminate or reduce the chance for detonation or preignition I dont forsee any issue. 14.7 PSI only increases rod load by 20%. Last time I checked Honda wasnt using cost iron rods.
lets be real, if you can tune the AFR and eliminate or reduce the chance for detonation or preignition I dont forsee any issue. 14.7 PSI only increases rod load by 20%. Last time I checked Honda wasnt using cost iron rods.
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Re: (O RLY)
AJP turbo uses a hondata reflash for their turbo tuning. But it's not a standard K20 reflash, it's custom. So you don't really need to have the kpro yet as long as you buy the right turbo kit
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Re: turbo or supercharge (spets)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spets »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Different Engine, different ECU. Locash is probably running K-pro, which we can't do on the Si.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kidnkorner »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont see your point, though different bore and stroke (very similar motors), how is that going to change anything?
lets be real, if you can tune the AFR (Kpro nor stand alone not needed for that) and eliminate or reduce the chance for detonation or preignition I dont forsee any issue. 14.7 PSI only increases rod load by 20%. Last time I checked Honda wasnt using cost iron rods.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kidnkorner »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont see your point, though different bore and stroke (very similar motors), how is that going to change anything?
lets be real, if you can tune the AFR (Kpro nor stand alone not needed for that) and eliminate or reduce the chance for detonation or preignition I dont forsee any issue. 14.7 PSI only increases rod load by 20%. Last time I checked Honda wasnt using cost iron rods.</TD></TR></TABLE>