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94 F22/H23 Accord died yesterday...

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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 08:21 PM
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Soooooo... I'm a bit frustrated at this point. The car was running great and all of a suddent it died yesterday. We were riding along on the highway going about 65 mph and felt a jerk and that was end of story. No CEL has come on yet. Literally it's like the car stalled and will not start.
I pulled the valve cover and the timing belt's still in tact. It's got fuel. I checked the distributor and rotor and they are both in tact. I have spark Next up is compression. The car still turns over just no fire. Any ideas of what I can check would be helpful.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:33 AM
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Seriously... 31 views and no responses? HT is declining.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:45 AM
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It's probably the fuel pump, if you hear it trying to start but it wont then theres no fuel being delivered to the engine. Also try checking the alternator and starter before the fuel pump.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:52 AM
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You siad the engine still turns over so I am guessing everything is grounded correctly. Gogin back to the basics I remember the main relay use to be the cause of this problem a lot mainly with F series the h serieies engines. If you can ge tto your Main realy under the dash and unscrew the 10mm bolt and pull the card board cover off see how the soldering point look. Try that and let know
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:58 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oblivion2kx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's probably the fuel pump, if you hear it trying to start but it wont then theres no fuel being delivered to the engine. Also try checking the alternator and starter before the fuel pump.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There's pressure at the rail. I can't remember what the guage read but it's got pressure.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f22builder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> You siad the engine still turns over so I am guessing everything is grounded correctly. Gogin back to the basics I remember the main relay use to be the cause of this problem a lot mainly with F series the h serieies engines. If you can ge tto your Main realy under the dash and unscrew the 10mm bolt and pull the card board cover off see how the soldering point look. Try that and let know</TD></TR></TABLE>

Which side is it under? Anybody have a diagram?


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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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driver side under dash, if you have cruise control you will need to remove it to get to main relay. check the FAQ for the link.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 07:02 PM
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Ok so I checked compression:

Cylinder One 200 psi
Cylinder Two 210 psi
Cylinder Three 210 psi
Cylindar Four 200 psi

Decent numbers for a 14 yr old motor. Couple of things to note. The plugs were covered in oil. Apparently the valve cover bolts loosened and allowed oil to seep past the o-rings. I cleaned them up and cleaned out the plug walls.
The fuel pressure guage reads 40 psi at the fuel rail. So the pumps not bad. I checked for the main relay and it looked ok. I'm going to run it past an Ohm meter (If I ever find mine) to make sure I'm 100% correct.

This is pretty frustrating so if anybody has any ideas, I'm certainly open to suggestions.


Do you think that may have damaged the plugs, wires, or distributor?
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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Anybody?
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Old Oct 17, 2008 | 07:58 AM
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Old Nov 2, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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Still not running. I replaced the coil but no luck the car just cranks until the battery dies. I need to get this car going it's my daily driver. Anybody have any other ideas of what of check?
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Old Nov 2, 2008 | 07:29 PM
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what's your setup? could it be a failure from an aftermarket part? ecu?

shot in the dark but way back when, I had an MSD on my girl's auto, car would run in park and nuetral, put in gear and it would die. Removed the MSD and it fired fine.
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Old Nov 3, 2008 | 05:39 AM
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Id start back over verifying fuel and spark.
Also, what ems are you running ? (maybe swap back in your stock ecu to verify thats working properly)
Do you have pressure back at the rail ?
Id also suggest checking the timing marks, maybe skipped a tooth or 2.
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Old Nov 3, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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This is my stock Accord. (stock motor and ECU) I checked timing, and it's all lined up. After pulling the distributor, it had some oil seepage on the housing. It didn't look like the oil made it's way into the casing but it certainly was on the outside.

It also looks like the rotor was pretty worn so I'll be replacing that as well. I feel like I'm getting closer.

As a side note, the fuel pressure was still showing at 40 psi at the rail.
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Old Nov 3, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostedH23Accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is my stock Accord. (stock motor and ECU) I checked timing, and it's all lined up. After pulling the distributor, it had some oil seepage on the housing. It didn't look like the oil made it's way into the casing but it certainly was on the outside.

It also looks like the rotor was pretty worn so I'll be replacing that as well. I feel like I'm getting closer.

As a side note, the fuel pressure was still showing at 40 psi at the rail.
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are you still getting good spark on all four plugs ?
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Old Nov 5, 2008 | 07:17 AM
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No spark is the problem. Getting fuel and will turn over just no fire.
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Old Nov 5, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostedH23Accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No spark is the problem. Getting fuel and will turn over just no fire.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That makes it easier...

now that you have isolated it to ignition, start from the battery and work your way to the distributor. Open switch and check with volt meter at each point until you dont get any current. external coil, dizzy, etc.

Let me know if you need a circuit diagram.
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Old Nov 5, 2008 | 10:45 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostedH23Accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is my stock Accord. (stock motor and ECU)
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B2 or B1 ?
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Old Nov 5, 2008 | 12:41 PM
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Don't forget to test the ignitor. Exact same thing happened to my car a few years back.

I was accelerating up a slight incline and jerked once, twice oil pressure light pops on and I'm coasting to a stop on the side of the road. I tested everything found a bad ignitor....
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Old Nov 11, 2008 | 10:17 AM
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Update: It was the ICM
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