I have one of full race's complete kits and I have to say I am not impressed with the 3" down pipe's ground clearance. I have omnipower full body coilovers and they are currently on their highest setting. I have already dinged the down pipe and i don't even have 250 miles on it.

Anyone know if the older hasport mounts(silver with orangish red bushings) sit the engine lower, higher or the same as the newer billet style?

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Well, that's the nature of trying to build a car plug and play style. Honda guys are spoiled...you buy a turbo manifold, dp, mounts, this and that from several different companies and seem upset when it all doesn't work out so well.

O.P., take no offense to this, as its just a general statement, but I have to wonder what the motive of your post is? Is it to educate others or to call into question product design?

Answer to the issue I see, is look into a custom downpipe, or make modifications to the FR one.

Honda's are getting too easy...buy some mounts, buy a harness, buy a turbo kit, buy your tuning, buy your management. I miss the old days.

O.P....like I said, not directed right at you, just wondering what your questioning here.

 

mainly made the post to see if others had experienced the same kind of issue and to see if maybe it was a combo of the mounts and dp or just the dp. I also don't have a problem questioning the product however, This is a $4k turbo kit designed for my chassis, with my motor and the dp fits like ***.

and get off the rag

 

so any other crx peeps out there running a FR dp?

 

take it off, cut it shorter. re weld it.

 

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I believe the point that he is trying to make is that after $4,000 for at turbo kit that is designed for his setup, he should have a DP that fits correctly. The mounts shouldn't have much to do with it, because from the picture it appears that the DP isn't really hugging the bottom of the motor like it should be.

 

correct

 

Send it back and have them fix it

 

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The issue that parts makers have is the difference between the DP needed for an LS, GSR/ITR, and B16. The B16 has a shorter deckheight, meaning the DP needs to be shorter (for most clearance). The LS needs to be a little longer, and the GSR/ITR has to be longer still due to the pan/girdle that takes up space.

My guess is the DP was made to work on all three, all in an EF chassis. Unless they said otherwise, it would be unwise to throw up flack at full-race.

If it is a B18C and there is over 1/2" of clearance between the DP/pan, give them a call - or just cut & reweld. Nothing gets solved by yelling at the wrong people.

 

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not a rag...lol....just many years of business building Honda's built up inside

Hi-Profile's point is actually quite valid. With the B16's block height being different than B18's, and LS head heights being different than vtec heads, you have alot of variations which would require ALOT of jigs and setup options.

It's quite likely that the setup is built for the tallest which would be the GSR motor. The mounts really aren't the issue, because the DP isn't hugging the pan.

You didn't mention what motor you have (unless I missed it). Ideally though, a quick mod should be all it takes to fix the issue.

I understand you paid good money, but in honesty it's a small issue. Some car builders have to build EVERYTHING from scratch, so just consider what a gift it is to build a Honda with nothing but a credit card and a basic set of tools.

Just try to find someone local to you that can do a mod to it for a fee. The fab forum should yield someone local...just post it up.

 

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The issue that parts makers have is the difference between the DP needed for an LS, GSR/ITR, and B16. The B16 has a shorter deckheight, meaning the DP needs to be shorter (for most clearance). The LS needs to be a little longer, and the GSR/ITR has to be longer still due to the pan/girdle that takes up space.

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I am aware of that, but if that's the case, there should have been more communication I guess. But that's neither here nor there.

Good Luck OP.

 

Yeah, i mean i understand the issue about designing something to fit multiple applications i just think that when one application suffers this much a second jig should be made. either way i never meant to come off like i was "upset" about this, just raising the point.

On a lighter note i like where this is going... what your saying is... i now have an excuse to get a GSR.

 

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Yeah, see, that's the spirit!

 

i would really like it if we could get some pictures up of other ef chassis running the full race dp. a comparison of clearances between the b16, b18, b18c and lsv

anyone?

 

it is a 3" pipe. there's not much room since honda wasn't expecting anyone to run more than 2 1/4

 

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3" pipe will tuck up under the car very nicely, but it seems this is a combination between the mounts and it being a shorter deck height, although i cant imagine the difference being that much

fwiw my f-r downpipe was always all scraped up, i think they just make sure it has extra clearance so people dont complain about it hitting the block

do what i told ya and cut a lil section out of the downpipe

 

i have maybe 1/2" clearance from the oil pan to my 3". i have an ek with b16 block and mine has trouble with ground clearance. but i don't have a fr dp. even then.. 3" is 3"...

"shorter deck height".. that has nothing to do with how low the engine sits in relation to the chassis.

 

I seems this is spinning into some state of confusion. I have build many, many 3" dp's on various motors, and they can certainly be tucked tightly and not have ground clearance issues.

My own Del Sol has an LS/vtec with a 3" dp, and I run the car pretty low and still have no issues whatsoever. The fitment can be made tight, there's no question.

 

i'm not saying a 3" wouldn't tuck fine.. i'll have to get photos of mine.. though mine doesn't sit as low as his.. i still have some ground clearance issues.

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can you tell me why you think that?

with a shorter deck height the head will sit "lower" and therefore give you more clearance, which is why people build different downpipes for b16 etc etc

when my friend ordered a ramhorn from rld-fab he was asked what block he had so that he could build the proper downpipe for clearance issues with a crx chassis as rld said they sit low in that chassis to begin with due to the mounts

 

Give us a call at the shop (602-437-2101) and we can help you out. The fitment doesn't look right at all and we'll try our best to fix it.

 

i will do that, much appreciated

 

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You are right, but the OP was angry with the DP's ground clearance, then asked about mount height. Decrease deckheight, and the DP (bolted to the head) gets put that further down in the chassis.

A DP maker can only account for one variable, which is the amount of space between the head's port location and the bottom of the oil pan (deckheight DIRECTLY affects that distance FYI). Using motor mounts that put the engine too low is the user's problem, especially since it can also impact axle lifespan. That's like blaming a wheel maker for your bent rims when you run 30-series sidewalls on pothole-riddled freeways. Anyways, I know certain mounts do set it low in the EF chassis, since even a B16 can rub with other particular mounts.

Now if they account for the biggest space-user B18C (8.347" deck + oil pan bulge), but you have a B16 (7.998"), it will be at LEAST .349" lower than you want. Then if you look at the full-race website, it clearly only shows ONE downpipe option for the EF (others = custom). If I was them, I'd rather a third of my customers have [extra] clearance issues as opposed to 1/3 not even able to bolt them on...

Now add up the clearance allowances up when using a B16 and DP/Mounts made to accept even a B18C (&gt;.349" mounts + .349" DP), that can put the DP almost 1" lower than it has to be with a B16. Yes OP, one more reason to get a B18 variant.

 

i wish you had chimed in earlier, i just clicked the link in your sig for the boost solenoids.. i just bought one of those for like $30 more...