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Old Oct 4, 2008 | 11:31 PM
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Default Help!! b16a block w/ p30's on gsr head bad combo???

I spun a rod bearing in my gsr block i searched but only usefull info i found was from c-speedracing.com for the comp. chart, long story short i dynoed 216hp 150tq with my new sk2 pro1 cams but the next day my rod bearing craped out on me so being low on funds i came across a fresh b16 with p30 pistons all new rebuilt for $400!! so if i use this with my gsr head will i suffer a big power loss from the b16 block my comp. should be 10.6 also my cams i still want to use are sk2 pro 1's are these way to agressive for the block i could use my old bc3+ cams! im using a sk2 pro im and also i got my tri y big tube header im sure this will be an over kill for the block as well could i get a oem jdm itr header and still make decent power with this setup tuned on my hondata, i really need help deciding cause its cheap but its a 1.6ltr block !
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 05:00 AM
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Default Re: Help!! b16a block w/ p30's on gsr head bad combo??? (wunfstgsr)

This one's easy to answer.

B16a and GSR head, great combo for the street. No power loss, if anything I would expect to see some gains.

B16a's are proven to like the BC3 cams. Pro 1's will work here but can be harder to tune and may be a little much cam for what you have. Answer, go with what you know WORKS.

That header in stock tube size has proven to lose power on b16a's, a big tube version would be even worse. JDM ITR header is the clear answer.

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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 05:03 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00Red_SiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This one's easy to answer.

B16a and GSR head, great combo for the street. No power loss, if anything I would expect to see some gains.

B16a's are proven to like the BC3 cams. Pro 1's will work here but can be harder to tune and may be a little much cam for what you have. Answer, go with what you know WORKS.

That header in stock tube size has proven to lose power on b16a's, a big tube version would be even worse. JDM ITR header is the clear answer.

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BTW i told you, you'd be ok with those valvesprings
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 08:30 AM
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I'd go for the Toda header or a high-grade replica. It should beat out the jdm 4-1 in power, afford you with better ground clearance, and yield gains &gt; jdm 4-1 if/when you decide to go bigger e.g. B18, B20.

http://g2ic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184246




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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 12:47 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IntegraType-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

BTW i told you, you'd be ok with those valvesprings </TD></TR></TABLE>

I also dropped a valve keeper! so i dont know what caused that, so im gonna have to look into the damage in the head! so will i have a crappy tq curve cause of the 1.6 ltr block also. i kind of whant to use my pro 1s has anyone ever used these cams on a b16a, there made for b16a/b18-c as far as sk2 box! the block is cheap for $400 and is rebuilt but im also concidering if i ever have to reff the b16a block will make me fail instantly what should i do i need my car back on the road but i dont want to make a bad mistake with buying this block although i will have more comp. than a stock gsr so i guess thats not gonna hurt hp that much right?
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 03:33 PM
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Any more opinions thanks.
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 03:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wunfstgsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I also dropped a valve keeper! so i dont know what caused that, so im gonna have to look into the damage in the head! so will i have a crappy tq curve cause of the 1.6 ltr block also. i kind of whant to use my pro 1s has anyone ever used these cams on a b16a, there made for b16a/b18-c as far as sk2 box! the block is cheap for $400 and is rebuilt but im also concidering if i ever have to reff the b16a block will make me fail instantly what should i do i need my car back on the road but i dont want to make a bad mistake with buying this block although i will have more comp. than a stock gsr so i guess thats not gonna hurt hp that much right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

lmao.. that didn't have anything related to those valvesprings. Probably a wornout keeper or the fact that you misshifted or something of that nature.. keepers do just give out..

and you'll be fine with pro1's on a b16..Have the supporting mods fyi.
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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O.k im thinking of a new setup it should be this- fresh b16a block w/p30 pistons new acl bearings mic poishished crank ect.. fresh 98'' gsr head, sk2 pro1's+ valve train, sk2 pro im 68 mm tb, aem 3" cai, jdm itr header, aem pulleys,, 2.5 piping to stock gsr or itr muffler (so i dont get tickets for exhaust!), rc 31o's, hondata s100.

whats the potential with this set up? im thinking its good for about 160 hp tuned what do you guys think about this set up i want to get no more tickets for header or exhaust or reff period im in cali!
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Old Oct 7, 2008 | 09:51 AM
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is a gsr head better to work with b16a block over a type-r head
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Old Oct 7, 2008 | 11:57 AM
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bump for opinions
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 02:28 AM
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bump i took the motor out the car today and took the head off, the head is fine no damage the keeper i found must of came from somthing else maybe somehow got dropped idk so im gonna put flat face valves and freshen the head and im and i'll keep this updated till the end dyno result.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 03:18 AM
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Does anyone know if i can use gsr arp head studs on the b16a block with the gsr head? i searched but had no luck thanks.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 10:01 PM
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 04:55 AM
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My little B16 ripped. Bumped 9400rpms a couple times. It wasn't going anywhere quickly but I'm surprised it didnt let go, lol. I have a YS1 trans though, but I couldn't keep traction in 1st and half of 2nd.
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by patriot &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My little B16 ripped. Bumped 9400rpms a couple times. It wasn't going anywhere quickly but I'm surprised it didnt let go, lol. I have a YS1 trans though, but I couldn't keep traction in 1st and half of 2nd. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Was it any similar to the set up im going with!! b16a w/ gsr head??

Bump.. anyone with experience with a setup like this? any input?
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 05:22 PM
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Default Re: Help!! b16a block w/ p30's on gsr head bad combo??? (wunfstgsr)

Use B16 headstuds with a B16 block. GSR headstuds for a GSR or LS/VTEC.
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 06:23 PM
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Kinda. I had a stock B16 head but with a 2 layer headgasket so compression wouldve been similar. Have a beat-*** 5Zigen header and a custom 2.5exhaust, light flywheel and a CAI. Nothing else really.
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 06:27 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92civiceg9gsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Use B16 headstuds with a B16 block. GSR headstuds for a GSR or LS/VTEC.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So i cant use the arp head studs from my gsr on the b16a block with the gsr head?
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 07:05 PM
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Default Re: Help!! b16a block w/ p30's on gsr head bad combo??? (wunfstgsr)

If you look it up on ARP's site you'll see that the GSR block and B16a block uses different part numbers. Since we know that one block is shorter than the other, it makes sense.
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:00 AM
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What will compression be with b16a block and p72 head. I am currently doing this mod and upgrading to type-r valvetrain and cams, and a type-r style intake manifold.
Brought a brand new p72 head complete
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 12:12 AM
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This helped me a bit
http://www.c-speedracing.com/h...c.php
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 09:44 AM
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Thanks, up's compressions slightly, dont know if it would make more power. I have also be advised to tidy up the ports alittle. So before my new head goes on it will recieve a mild port and polish.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 09:44 AM
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also can anyone recommend a good Intake manifold to go with b18c head and b16 block
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 12:12 PM
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sk2 pro series im
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 10:03 PM
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i had this on my 98gsr i just pulled it out to get a b18c1 block w/20k miles, i bought the car with the gsr head mated to b16a2 block,, i was surprised how it pulled my teg and the torque felt decent never got it dynoed and was stock besides some strupp headers, i raced a couple of cars but lost only to a 2000 GTI not horrible but did pull on my on the freeway,,,, i have the b18c1 and really honestly cant tell much difference

but then again am still breaking in a new clutch&flywheel
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