Thinking about installing turbo...just need to know a few things first.
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Thinking about installing turbo...just need to know a few things first.
A while back I posted about these 2 turbos I have so that someone could tell me what they are,the psi and so on.I'm thinking about putting one on my car but before I do I have a few questions:
1.How much horsepower would I probably gain?
2.At what rpm would this turbo kick in?
3.how much might my mpg drop(if I'm driving normal,shifting at 3000-4000 rpm)?
4.The manifold on the turbo doesn't fit my car.Where can I get one for this turbo that will fit?
5.The turbo is significantly heavier than the stock exhaust manifold.Do I need to add some sort of support for it?
6.Should I disconnect the stock waste gate on the turbo and get an aftermarket one for the piping or what should I do?
7. There is a small amount of play with the turbine(side to side)...its not enough play to allow the turbine to contact the wall of the turbo but should I rebuild it so there's no play at all?
8.Should I upgrade any parts in my engine or should it be ok as long as I don't push it too hard?
9.I have a vafc 2...would that be good enough to adjust everything for the turbo or do I need my ecu chipped?
Heres a picture of the turbo:
I forgot a lot of what I was told about the turbos before when I asked but from what I remember this turbo produces 16 psi and came off of a eclipse or some Mitsubishi I think. It says on it Garrett A/R .48 M10.The car I want to put it on is a 93 civic D15b vtec running with a p08 and has a cold air intake...besides that its stock(currently 130-140hp I believe).
Also can someone tell me what the area circled with a 1 is for?
Modified by fryman at 10:37 AM 10/4/2008
Modified by fryman at 10:42 AM 10/4/2008
1.How much horsepower would I probably gain?
2.At what rpm would this turbo kick in?
3.how much might my mpg drop(if I'm driving normal,shifting at 3000-4000 rpm)?
4.The manifold on the turbo doesn't fit my car.Where can I get one for this turbo that will fit?
5.The turbo is significantly heavier than the stock exhaust manifold.Do I need to add some sort of support for it?
6.Should I disconnect the stock waste gate on the turbo and get an aftermarket one for the piping or what should I do?
7. There is a small amount of play with the turbine(side to side)...its not enough play to allow the turbine to contact the wall of the turbo but should I rebuild it so there's no play at all?
8.Should I upgrade any parts in my engine or should it be ok as long as I don't push it too hard?
9.I have a vafc 2...would that be good enough to adjust everything for the turbo or do I need my ecu chipped?
Heres a picture of the turbo:
I forgot a lot of what I was told about the turbos before when I asked but from what I remember this turbo produces 16 psi and came off of a eclipse or some Mitsubishi I think. It says on it Garrett A/R .48 M10.The car I want to put it on is a 93 civic D15b vtec running with a p08 and has a cold air intake...besides that its stock(currently 130-140hp I believe).
Also can someone tell me what the area circled with a 1 is for?
Modified by fryman at 10:37 AM 10/4/2008
Modified by fryman at 10:42 AM 10/4/2008
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Re: Thinking about installing turbo...just need to know a few things first. (fryman)
my lord your full of question that can all be answered in the FAQ section of this sub-forum. now go read please
and the circled area labelled #1 is a water cooling port.
and the circled area labelled #1 is a water cooling port.
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Re: Thinking about installing turbo...just need to know a few things first. (tony413)
But most of my questions are based on this specific turbo.I'll look but I don't think I'll find what I'm looking for in the faq since my questions are specific to my turbo and car.
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your turbo is a 14b and its being used on a D-series engine theres a ton of them if you search or you can goto turbod.com which is a site for only turbochargered D-series. they are have a section with cars dyno at 100hp, 200hp, 300, and 400hp. those cars will also have a list of their parts and guess what some of them use the turbo you are asking about and some may be the same motor as yours
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I've been looking and I'm not really finding the answers.Also turbod.com isn't showing up for some reason.If anyone knows the answer to any of my questions please let me know.
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d-series.org or turbod16.com
1) on a stock internal motor d series,your looking at around 170-210 hp at around 7-12 psi. That's just an estimated guess based off other setups. It's not set in stone.A local simple 14b setup made around 201 on 10 pounds with a few problems
2) that is a small turbo.Your looking at full spool around 2.5-3.5k at wot.Again not set in stone.Exhaust size, intake manifold design,,intake manifold,headwork etc etc can all have an effect on spool time.2.5-3.5k is an estimated guess based on otther setups.
3)No one can tell you what your mpg is going to be.Telling us the rpm doest really help because it takes more then rpm to make boost.It also takes load. You can be cruising at 2.5-3k and not see any boost but if you were at wot at the same rpm you would be at full boost.Generally speaking if you don't have a heavy foot,you will have similar gas mileage to a non boosted car if not better.It also depends on the tune.
4)hit up one of the forum sponsors on here or d-series.org for a custom manifold or buy an hf manifold and a adapter plate or buy a cast iorn manifold and a adapter plate .Other then making your own or going with a crackalicious ebay manifold those are your best options
5) Nope.A good manifold won't need help supporting a 14b lol
6) No,it will be easier to use the internal wastegate. I think external wastegates are always better but i would not do it for a low buck,low hp setup.
7) That's up to you.If it's not hitting the housing i would run it.Once oil gets in the chra the play might go away.
8) you would be okay with a stock engine and the hp numbers i listed or even slightly higher.You do need to upgrade your fuel system and engine managment.You should also do a compression and leak down test to see if your engine is in good enough condition to even be boosted in the first place.
9) sell the vafc,get the ecu chipped and tuned
on the picture of the turbo I can't tell if the oil return is number 1 or the coolant port is number 1 and it looks like you have two number twos
Your lucky im bored.
1) on a stock internal motor d series,your looking at around 170-210 hp at around 7-12 psi. That's just an estimated guess based off other setups. It's not set in stone.A local simple 14b setup made around 201 on 10 pounds with a few problems
2) that is a small turbo.Your looking at full spool around 2.5-3.5k at wot.Again not set in stone.Exhaust size, intake manifold design,,intake manifold,headwork etc etc can all have an effect on spool time.2.5-3.5k is an estimated guess based on otther setups.
3)No one can tell you what your mpg is going to be.Telling us the rpm doest really help because it takes more then rpm to make boost.It also takes load. You can be cruising at 2.5-3k and not see any boost but if you were at wot at the same rpm you would be at full boost.Generally speaking if you don't have a heavy foot,you will have similar gas mileage to a non boosted car if not better.It also depends on the tune.
4)hit up one of the forum sponsors on here or d-series.org for a custom manifold or buy an hf manifold and a adapter plate or buy a cast iorn manifold and a adapter plate .Other then making your own or going with a crackalicious ebay manifold those are your best options
5) Nope.A good manifold won't need help supporting a 14b lol
6) No,it will be easier to use the internal wastegate. I think external wastegates are always better but i would not do it for a low buck,low hp setup.
7) That's up to you.If it's not hitting the housing i would run it.Once oil gets in the chra the play might go away.
8) you would be okay with a stock engine and the hp numbers i listed or even slightly higher.You do need to upgrade your fuel system and engine managment.You should also do a compression and leak down test to see if your engine is in good enough condition to even be boosted in the first place.
9) sell the vafc,get the ecu chipped and tuned
on the picture of the turbo I can't tell if the oil return is number 1 or the coolant port is number 1 and it looks like you have two number twos
Your lucky im bored.
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Awesome.Exactly what I need.Thanks boss 
.Theres two #2's because those seem to be running to the same place,I think those are for cooling.So stock engine is fine I just need to do a compression and leak test,upgrade fuel system and get ecu chipped and tuned...So with the fuel system I need bigger injectors,stronger fuel pump,new fuel rail and thats it?To get the ecu chipped and tuned do I need to go to a place with a dyno or what do I do?
Sorry for all the questions but I'm not experienced with turbos and I want to have all my questions answered before I buy anything or install it.
.Theres two #2's because those seem to be running to the same place,I think those are for cooling.So stock engine is fine I just need to do a compression and leak test,upgrade fuel system and get ecu chipped and tuned...So with the fuel system I need bigger injectors,stronger fuel pump,new fuel rail and thats it?To get the ecu chipped and tuned do I need to go to a place with a dyno or what do I do?Sorry for all the questions but I'm not experienced with turbos and I want to have all my questions answered before I buy anything or install it.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fryman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyone know what cars this manifold fits so I can sell it?Its too big to fit my car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: Thinking about installing turbo...just need to know a few things first. (fryman)
pm project dc2 on here, he will help you out with everything....or you can check out his website at http://www.spoolinperformance.com...
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Re: Thinking about installing turbo...just need to know a few things first. (DC2_foo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2_foo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pm project dc2 on here, he will help you out with everything....or you can check out his website at http://www.spoolinperformance.com... </TD></TR></TABLE>
Re: Thinking about installing turbo...just need to know a few things first. (fryman)
A while back I posted about these 2 turbos I have so that someone could tell me what they are,the psi and so on.I'm thinking about putting one on my car but before I do I have a few questions:
1.How much horsepower would I probably gain? roughly itll push 180 to the wheels
2.At what rpm would this turbo kick in? 14B, i'd imagine full boost around 3K RPM
3.how much might my mpg drop(if I'm driving normal,shifting at 3000-4000 rpm)?
that depends on the car... if you're not trying to hit boost all the time , it should not drop significantly at all.
4.The manifold on the turbo doesn't fit my car.Where can I get one for this turbo that will fit?
we can build you a manifold setup
5.The turbo is significantly heavier than the stock exhaust manifold.Do I need to add some sort of support for it?
if you can build a support for it, it would be ideal. but our log manifold should be hefty enough to support the weight
6.Should I disconnect the stock waste gate on the turbo and get an aftermarket one for the piping or what should I do?
keep the stock gate, it pushes 7-9 psi from the gate, the factory eclipse push 15+ because they have a boost solenoid controlled by the ECU that allows it to boost more. think of it as a boost controller
7. There is a small amount of play with the turbine(side to side)...its not enough play to allow the turbine to contact the wall of the turbo but should I rebuild it so there's no play at all?
not enough to hit hte wall= good. for such a cheap turbo, it woudln't be worth it to rebuild it.
8.Should I upgrade any parts in my engine or should it be ok as long as I don't push it too hard?
simple tune, keep it conservative and you should be ok
9.I have a vafc 2...would that be good enough to adjust everything for the turbo or do I need my ecu chipped?
with how cheap ecu tuning is now a days. get your ecu chipped and properly tuned by a shop or highly qualified and reputable tuner.
1.How much horsepower would I probably gain? roughly itll push 180 to the wheels
2.At what rpm would this turbo kick in? 14B, i'd imagine full boost around 3K RPM
3.how much might my mpg drop(if I'm driving normal,shifting at 3000-4000 rpm)?
that depends on the car... if you're not trying to hit boost all the time , it should not drop significantly at all.
4.The manifold on the turbo doesn't fit my car.Where can I get one for this turbo that will fit?
we can build you a manifold setup
5.The turbo is significantly heavier than the stock exhaust manifold.Do I need to add some sort of support for it?
if you can build a support for it, it would be ideal. but our log manifold should be hefty enough to support the weight
6.Should I disconnect the stock waste gate on the turbo and get an aftermarket one for the piping or what should I do?
keep the stock gate, it pushes 7-9 psi from the gate, the factory eclipse push 15+ because they have a boost solenoid controlled by the ECU that allows it to boost more. think of it as a boost controller
7. There is a small amount of play with the turbine(side to side)...its not enough play to allow the turbine to contact the wall of the turbo but should I rebuild it so there's no play at all?
not enough to hit hte wall= good. for such a cheap turbo, it woudln't be worth it to rebuild it.
8.Should I upgrade any parts in my engine or should it be ok as long as I don't push it too hard?
simple tune, keep it conservative and you should be ok
9.I have a vafc 2...would that be good enough to adjust everything for the turbo or do I need my ecu chipped?
with how cheap ecu tuning is now a days. get your ecu chipped and properly tuned by a shop or highly qualified and reputable tuner.
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Re: Thinking about installing turbo...just need to know a few things first. (project dc2)
Phil is a good guy, just don't be alone at him at the shop, you will never walk the same again!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony413 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your turbo is a 14b </TD></TR></TABLE>
u sure its not a t25?
u sure its not a t25?
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mitsu ecilpse or eagle talon </TD></TR></TABLE>
It will also fit a Bseries motor if the holes are re drilled.
mitsu ecilpse or eagle talon </TD></TR></TABLE>
It will also fit a Bseries motor if the holes are re drilled.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GsrIntegra789 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
u sure its not a t25? </TD></TR></TABLE>
im pretty sure its a 14b if it came off of a mitsu or eagle
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GsrIntegra789 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It will also fit a Bseries motor if the holes are re drilled. </TD></TR></TABLE>
u sure its not a t25? </TD></TR></TABLE>
im pretty sure its a 14b if it came off of a mitsu or eagle
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It will also fit a Bseries motor if the holes are re drilled. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony413 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">idk still looks like a 14b
EDIT: nevermind it is a T25 sorry </TD></TR></TABLE>
yup...thats important to know because when hes ordering oil lines and he orders for a 14b they will be different and wont fit...the inlet and the drain flange are both different. Not to mention the t25 is a smaller turbo and doesnt make as much top end as a 14b.
EDIT: nevermind it is a T25 sorry </TD></TR></TABLE>
yup...thats important to know because when hes ordering oil lines and he orders for a 14b they will be different and wont fit...the inlet and the drain flange are both different. Not to mention the t25 is a smaller turbo and doesnt make as much top end as a 14b.
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yup...thats important to know because when hes ordering oil lines and he orders for a 14b they will be different and wont fit...the inlet and the drain flange are both different. Not to mention the t25 is a smaller turbo and doesnt make as much top end as a 14b. </TD></TR></TABLE>
incorrect.. about the oil lines
the DSM 14B and DSM T25 ( its whats pictured) share the same flanges and inlet fittings
its the nissan T25 that is different.
but you're correct when you say the T25 turbo doesnt flow as much as the 14B.
yup...thats important to know because when hes ordering oil lines and he orders for a 14b they will be different and wont fit...the inlet and the drain flange are both different. Not to mention the t25 is a smaller turbo and doesnt make as much top end as a 14b. </TD></TR></TABLE>
incorrect.. about the oil lines
the DSM 14B and DSM T25 ( its whats pictured) share the same flanges and inlet fittings
its the nissan T25 that is different.
but you're correct when you say the T25 turbo doesnt flow as much as the 14B.
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incorrect.. about the oil lines
the DSM 14B and DSM T25 ( its whats pictured) share the same flanges and inlet fittings
its the nissan T25 that is different.
but you're correct when you say the T25 turbo doesnt flow as much as the 14B.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sorry but you are incorrect. believe me i had installed a dsm t25 a few months ago and had this issue..and the turbo was off a 99 eclipse (t25). And 14b lines were ordered and no they didnt fit.
edit: here is the proof.
http://stealthmodeperformance.com/oil-kit.shtml
Modified by GsrIntegra789 at 6:35 PM 10/6/2008
Modified by GsrIntegra789 at 6:37 PM 10/6/2008
incorrect.. about the oil lines
the DSM 14B and DSM T25 ( its whats pictured) share the same flanges and inlet fittings
its the nissan T25 that is different.
but you're correct when you say the T25 turbo doesnt flow as much as the 14B.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sorry but you are incorrect. believe me i had installed a dsm t25 a few months ago and had this issue..and the turbo was off a 99 eclipse (t25). And 14b lines were ordered and no they didnt fit.
edit: here is the proof.
http://stealthmodeperformance.com/oil-kit.shtml
Modified by GsrIntegra789 at 6:35 PM 10/6/2008
Modified by GsrIntegra789 at 6:37 PM 10/6/2008