I bought an 01 ITR complete shell last February. I purchased a complete JDM ITR swap in May from a local guys/ friends of the family honda shop's vendor from Japan. I ran the motor for 2025 miles and now im having problems with it. It has been sitting for 2 months because i just havnt had the time for it due to school and work and now it is time to do something about this issue. It is burning A LOT of oil. I had the head sent out to a machine shop where they totally dissasembled, cleaned, pressure tested and put back together (basically totally rebuilt). So i know my problem is not in the head, I bought new valve seals so i know my valve seals can not be bad. I also bought all new gaskets, so my head gasket cannot be bad either. After i got the head back we reassembled the motor and the car is still smoking badly. We put 5qts. of oil in it, and let it idle sparadically for a couple days while trying to diag. any other issues, and now those 5qrts are gone. Some where it is burning lots of oil. Since i got the head rebuilt im guessing its pushing everything down to or past the rings. Cylinder three is saturated, when i pull the plug it is wet. My main problem with this whole situation is that I have spent a lot of money on this car and motor and i dont think i should be having this kind of problem this early, especially when this guy said it was a clean motor. The guy who did my swap is a knowledgable guy, but i dont think he took the time and effort into this project. I also paid him for a new clutch, which im kinda skepteical as if he actually put a new clutch in. Also the JDM 36mm/USDM 32mm hub/axle issue occured, so he told me put usdm type r axles in, which i also do not know is true. My ABS light is on and prior owner told me that ABS was never on when he drove it, if he didnt put ABS axles in, would it cause my ABS light to illuminate? I have told this guy about my problem, he has done nothing but took my car for a 2 week period and replaced a cracked valve and faulty injector.I told him he did not fix the problem so i wasnt paying him for labor, just parts and i parted ways with him and havn't talked to him since. (this was before I brought the head to a machine shop). So as of right now im at a fork in the road, I either pull the motor and go through the entire bottom end and replace what has to be replaced, or buy a new short block. If i pull the motor, it is going to take me a lot of time, which i dont really have since im a college student. If i buy a new short block it will cost me a lot of money and time, but i could sell the jdm short block once i replace it and fix all issues. I just need some advice as to what to do, or if there are any better options. After all the issues i have had with this guy, and all hes done is take my money and in my opinion never done anything cleanly or right, should i go after him for some money or some type of compensation? Thanks for any help or advice.

 

1) use a topic title commensurate with the body of the post (well, in your case ... the topic title may be appropriate;
2) the motor may have been clean (on the outside);
3) was a leak-down and compression test done before the head was removed and work performed?;
4) yeah, cylinder 3 seems to be "blown";
5) ABS -- many ways to make a light go out, including using the USDM axles (appropriate), to taking out the light bulb that makes the light "light up";
6) cracked valve and faulty injector (in no. 3?), maybe you've cracked the sleeve as well?;
7) the bottom end would have seemed the way to go first after doing a leak-down and compression test, and especially after knowing that a valve and injector had been replaced;
8) welcome to the club of those that have spent a lot of money with unsatisfactory results ... either a bottom rebuild or a fresh motor would seem to be what's required at the moment (rebuild might be cheaper with fewer unexpected issues now that you've probably taken care of most of the other issues);
9) gotta pay to play.

... any other questions?

 

BTW -- your first mistake was buying an ITR shell while being a broke college student!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Zygspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BTW -- your first mistake was buying an ITR shell while being a broke college student!</TD></TR></TABLE>

im not "broke college student" have worked my whole life saving money, just would rather not spend my money on "problems" with a car. I can think of better ways to spend my money on either performance or cosmetics.

compression test was done and it read 240 on all 4 cylinders. I could have usdm axles i dont really know, that was just a thought, it could be other things wrong with the ABS, i havnt really looked into that issue yet. I do not want to simply take out the light bulb to make the ABS light disappear. That is not the right thing to do.

Would you recommend me using same block and replacing parts that are bad, or buying a new shortblock and selling the JDM block when i have fully restored it? Main question what will be cheaper? Disassemble, replace with oem parts and reassemble or disassemble, drop in new block, reassemble? I am in school, so i cannot do all the work myself, i work along with one of my brothers friends who is a certified tech. So i will have to pay him for labor,Original guy who did my swap will not touch my car again. Thanks for the help.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 01_ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...just would rather not spend my money on "problems" with a car. </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is what happens when you "buy a shell" thinking its cheaper than buying a car that is already running and a known good quantity, sorry.

240 compression are actually good numbers, too bad the oil rings aren't included in that analysis

Frankly, I too have spent more than I intendended on a number of ITR projects and this response of mine is the sum result.
Maybe you'd be just better off selling it all to someone else and letting them deal with it.

Apparently your certified tech isn't all that much help in diagnosing/analyzing the situation ... {shrug}


Modified by Zygspeed at 11:16 PM 9/27/2008

 

I feel like your remarks are pretty sarcastic. I think you can ask anyone and they would say they would rather not spend money on there ITR for problems or issues. I did not buy a "shell" as if you might think. Clean title vehicle. The car is mint and just needed a transplant that people do all the time. I also bought it with the intention to have a little project over the summer. This issue should not be happening this early either way. This certified tech has been here 2 times for a total of an hour abouts and told me i have bottom end issues. I dont think knowledge is an issue. Quit acting like you know everything. I appreciate your somewhat helpful posts but keep your opinions about my decisions to yourself and help with the actual mechanical issue...

Here is a video of the issue:



Here are some images:

 

I believe your first line said:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 01_ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I bought an 01 ITR complete shell last February. </TD></TR></TABLE>

P.S. White wheels on a NBP or FBP car like yours just looks, really bad in my opinion (which you don't want), just like they look bad on a PY or Milano colored car.

Maybe someone else other than the mechanic that won't touch your car anymore, myself and your certified tech can provide.

Sarcastic ... just wait.


Modified by Zygspeed at 11:28 PM 9/27/2008

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 01_ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I feel like your remarks are pretty sarcastic.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Zyg is old enough to be your father. I really think his advice is in your best interest as a 20 year college student in a tough *** economy.

 

Here's a thought, at time time of my first post there were ~36 views of your initial post with no responses.
At this time Migs is the only other person to post in this topic, and frankly not exactly favorably to you.
I'm guessing that I'm not in the minority with my comments and remarks.

Feeling any better now?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Zygspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe your first line said:

P.S. White wheels on a NBP or FBP car like yours just looks, really bad in my opinion (which you don't want), just like they look bad on a PY or Milano colored car.

Maybe someone else other than the mechanic that won't touch your car anymore, myself and your certified tech can provide.

Sarcastic ... just wait.


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Not your car..I could care less how you think my car looks. So youve been a member for 2966 days. Im glad you are that involved with online forums. Its only a forum dont take it that serious, but then again these forums are a way of life for some..Saturday nights are great for Honda-tech! Not sayin you dont have good things to say, just need to calm your role as a "father figure" on HT. Just take a look back at your posts and realize how cocky you sound Trying to teach me life lessons is not your role as a member on HT. I asked for your help on a mechanical issue not decisions i made in the past. Post constructive criticism, how does my tech. isues have anything to do with your opinion on my wheels? Cmon now, your old enough to know better than that right? Im done arguing my point with you dont post back until you got something constructive to say about my mechanical issues, or is your ego to big to let me get the last words in? Be mature about this situation and lets get back to my mechanical issues.

Anyone else got something CONSTRUCTIVE to say?

 

well i dont have anything constructive to say simply cause i've never had this problem but i hope the problem gets fixed bro and as my personal opinion even though white itr wheels on a black car or any other car may be played out i personally think it looks clean and not bad at all ...GL with the car Anthony hope everything gets settled

 

If you dont want a father figure involved to teach you life lessons, you need to ban yourself from the ITR forum, quick. Shet, youll have 50 fathers up in here telling you what to do in a matter of time.

 

Should have done what zyg said. Did you specifically tell the mechanic to fix your problem after diagnosing and only after consulting with you? If not, you need to pay him. If so, what did he tell you?

Short blocks aren't cheap. Rebuilds aren't cheap. Neither is quick.

cheap, fast, reliable, pick two.

That goes for parts and labor.

 

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im not "broke college student" have worked my whole life saving money, just would rather not spend my money on "problems" with a car. I can think of better ways to spend my money on either performance or cosmetics. </TD></TR></TABLE>


do you realise how dumb this statement is?

you would rather spend your money on making it go faster or looking different, when the thing is [freak]ed and doesn't run properly as it is now?

spend your money making it a reliable and sound motor, THEN worry about ricing it out.

you've got to crawl before you can walk.

 

rings wouldnt burn 5 qrts with the car just sitting idling unless they were very bad or none existant, and your leakdown test should show you that along with comp test.

I would look at the head for your issue since it was just dissassembled, people make mistakes, like not clicking in a valve seals completely, which I think is your problem. check those valve seals before going into the block, you might be surprised.

 

pm'd

 

at this point im going through the entire motor, not assuming anything.

realise? you mean realize? Bbasso made a thread on spelling and grammar, you might want to go check that out before you start telling me what to do. Got to learn how to speak and type properly before you start telling people what to do. Read prior posts im done with people trying to come at me like that, post only constructive things. Let me clear up what i meant to say before. Go take a survey, how many people would say: Yes, i would love mechanical problems to arise, so i would def. want to spend my money here. I dont think thats the case. People fix the problems because they have to, to make the car runs right. Im sure everyone would rather not go through this kind of headache and rather buy, wheels, or Mugen and Spoon Parts, or whatever floats their boat.

The mechanic is a close friend of my brother. He has a full time job and is helping me out on the side, at this point he said we need to go through everthing and dont assume anything, and said in the meantime i should talk to me "original mechanic" to see if he can do anything to compensate for this issue.

Thats the problem with HT or any forums, and you wonder why so many knowledgable people stay off these sites. So many people try to act as if their word is the greatest advice, and their opinion should mean something to me. Give advice of what you think, but dont come off telling me first of all you did this wrong. There is a way of telling and approaching people. Id be interested to see how many people on here who act like this, if they act like this if i were face to face with them. I think not. So everyone cool your role on HT, because its gettin played out. Take a look at this. http://www.illwillpress.com/FOR33.html

Thanks alot Jorge!

 

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realise? you mean realize? Bbasso made a thread on spelling and grammar, you might want to go check that out before you start telling me what to do. Got to learn how to speak and type properly before you start telling people what to do. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I disliked you before, now I outright hate you.

You are a typical obnoxious [freak]ING YANK, you are the one that is wrong with your STUPID American spelling. The correct spelling is "realise". Go out and buy an Oxford ENGLISH Dictionary, written by ENGLISH people, for the ENGLISH language.

YOU. STUPID. YANK!

 

Wrt the ill will link, see Migs' avatar. LOL

Frankly, I'm somewhat sympathetic to your situation, but this whole thing of asking people to diagnose an issue such as this "remotely" using the internet after an apparently knowledgeable mechanic has worked on it w/o success is rather silly.

I'm not thrilled about being referred to as a "father figure", I'll leave that position open for George.

Where's that picture about arguing with someone on the internet and "special olympics". As I said above, good luck with it. Ed

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Zygspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here's a thought, at time time of my first post there were ~36 views of your initial post with no responses.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Frankly, I was one of those 36 and thought this post had fail all over it. Zyg & migs were the only ones charitable enough to reply (and gave you good advice)and you jumped down their collective throats. Now you are dumping on everyone else like the pitifull loser I had you pegged for when I declined to reply to your OP.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Zygspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm not thrilled about being referred to as a "father figure", I'll leave that position open for George.</TD></TR></TABLE>
too late... DAD!

 

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Hey assh*le, who you calling dumb?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Dude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Frankly, I was one of those 36 and thought this post had fail all over it. Zyg & migs were the only ones charitable enough to reply (and gave you good advice)and you jumped down their collective throats. Now you are dumping on everyone else like the pitifull loser I had you pegged for when I declined to reply to your OP.
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I was one of maybe the first 5 and decided to see where this went. Then Ed answered and figured there wasn't much more to be said.

OP, I agree that you've already had some sound advice. You just don't seem to like other peoples opinions of the truth.


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I'm not thrilled about being referred to as a "father figure", I'll leave that position open for George.
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Well you can be my older brother then. George is Grandpa, Ken is Dad.

tartje's just a ******

 

I know the only solution to your problem.

You haven't sold me the shell. I'll give you a grand more than you paid for it if it's really that mint.

I'm serious.

From you directly to Dan GSR's house.



Regardless I believe your problem is in the bottom end. But as others (including yourself) have said, everything is suspect. 5 quarts being burnt @ idle is a real problem that no person on the other side of the US can diagnose.