Hey guys I was wondering what all I would have to do to swap a K20 into my EX. The only reason I bought it was the price( I only payed 16,700) Anyways, I am a toyota tuner by trade but I really like hondas and figured Id give it a shot. Thanks guys

 

Just trying to rationalize here, but I wouldn't spend the kind of money it would require to get one in there and still be left without a stand alone tuning option.

I'd daily drive the EX and find a 96-00 coupe or hatch and put the money in that.

To me it doesn't make a whole lot of sense spending over half the cars value on such a new car that would narrow the cars resale market. If you ever sold it the only people that would buy the car would be people like you. Additionally you'd never recover the money you spent to do the swap, $10k + $16k , whereas the hatch could be pieced out.

Anyway to answer your question you won't find any info about the swap on this site. What you might find are some threads about the end result if that. Use the search feature because this topic has been asked a number of times.

Additionally you might find http://www.8thcivic.com a better resource for this sort of thing. What you will find here mostly is repetitive hey, look at my sexxy ish (stock) picture threads, what intake, header, or exhaust should I get, What drop should I go with, or hey I got my new XXXXX, check it out. There aren't too many tech threads in here.




Modified by Kidnkorner at 2:39 PM 9/20/2008

 

searched...
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1802673
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2257509

also see this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FT6Esah-r4

 

your willing to do a swap into a brand new car? Ballin.

Not sure how that will go or how much that might cost you but good luck! make sure to post on the forums with your results.

 

I am getting ready to leave for Iraq again in about two weeks and I was hoping to do the swap when I return. Alot of guys have kind of deterred me from it, but like I said, I dont really know all that much about hondas yet so, I appreciate the input. If I do the swap, I was thinking of a K20a, not the K20z that comes in the si's. They make about 20 more hp and tq i believe. Plus, since i got my car so cheap, i would'nt be that bad off. Also, I would like to build it to high compression, and run it N/A. I turbo'ed my tc that I had prior to this civic, and it was very finicky, so I would like to avoid that. What do you guy's think?

 

I know you said you would like to run it n/a, but have you considered supercharging the k20. There are less things likely to go wrong with a supercharger. You had problems with ur tc cause its a scion haha. Poser company, Honda FTW!

 

The problem you are going to run into is tuning, homie. If you expect to retain AC and the gauges you will have to do custom wiring and run a dual ecu set up. If you want to run a solo ecu set up, well you are going to have to run aftermarket gauges and forget AC. Not so good when its time to sell or trade.

Have you considred what you'd do with the car when you are ready to get rid of it? As I stated before the only people that would buy it are the type of people on this forum. Don't expect to get more than $2k-$3k than what the vehicle is worth already, expect to get low balled.

You mentioned the amount you paid as something spectacular. You definately got a deal but nothing that anyone couldn't get if they looked and tried hard enough for.

You said you are a Toyota tuner by trade, then contradict yourself by stating you are going back to Iraq. They tune Toyota's in Iraq? I didn't even know Iraq had a Toyota dealer again. All the Toyota's in Iraq are coming from Al-Sayer in Kuwait. I'm confused.

It doesn't seem too rational to be wanting to do what you want to a car that is so new with all the money youd have to spend to get the full potential out of it.

The only way I'd mod such a new car was if it was DX that I was going to mod for a race car only.

It seems you are going for that unique factor and all I have to say is good luck. It seem that whatever the cost is it's worth it to you to get people to wow.
If I saw it I would say wow too,. Wow, what a waste of a lot of money to be a little bit faster than an Si coupe . But it's your car and your money. If I had that kind of cash that I could channel into a car I would keep my daily stock, and get a 2000 coupe or hatch and do that. But then again I am smarter then that and I would really pay down the loan so I don't have to pay all that interest.


Modified by Kidnkorner at 12:48 AM 9/22/2008

 

FIrst off, There was a misunderstanding. I am a crew chief on F-16's in the air force, not a professional toyota tuner. What I meant was that I have only ever driven and modified toyotas, to include my most recent, a scion tc. Im sorry that I used the incorrect term. Nextly, I am posting on this site because you guys know more about me than hondas, and therefore I hope to take from your pool of knowledge and experience and do not wish to be treated like an idiot for doing so. Third, I must admit, paying down the loan would be a good idea, however the car was purchased with cash, so that won't be necessary now will it? I do not mean to be a dik, I would just like to set things straight. And btw, I am truly sorry that there was a misunderstanding about my career path, I was'nt aware that it mattered so much

 

You didn't come off as a dick to me. Its nice that you don't have an auto loan to pay off.

Did you buy the car with the sole intention of modifying it in the way that you are considering it? Seems like an awful lot of money to pay for a baseline project. I would have researched it before going that route.

Imagine purchasing a much more tuner friendly 92-00 chassis with a price tag significantly lower and a parts bin 10 times larger than the new civic, not to mention double wish bone suspensions.

The computer and wiring in the new civic is complicated to say the least. This alone presents complications that make people who use these cars as daily drivers rethink the tuning aspect. There are no stand alone plug and play options. The only way you can run Kpro is running a dual ecu set up so you can retain AC and the gauge function of the vehicle. Not very practical for a daily driver.

If you wanted to run full Kpro and the K20A that you mentioned you will have to rewire the car eliminating DBW ( a plus), MAF sensor (another plus). You will lose cruise control, AC, you'll have to run after market guages or find an entity to fabricate some type of converter like the people who are using S2000 instrument clusters.

The only plug and play options are AEM FI/C, and Greddy Emanage Ultimate and Vmanage with Boomslang conversion harness', all piggback solutions. Even if you went this route you still won't get the full potential that you would with a true stand alone.

 

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get a Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-200 afterburning turbofan and swap that into the dx now that u said u work on f16

 

You could have spent lest then 5 on a dx hatch, another 5 or more for the swap another 3 or more for an aftermarket turbo, K-pro'd that and would be putting out enough power to keep up with much faster cars and have more money left over. Still having money left over to do something else with it.

Like stated before, it was a bad choice but if you have the money and are willing to do what needs to get done you should hit up 8th civic. Just be ready to get the ludicris amounts of welcome to te ocho and great stock car pictures comments

 

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get a Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-200 afterburning turbofan and swap that into the dx now that u said u work on f16 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Augmenting, not afterburning. Also, the newer block aircraft use a GE motor. Its far more efficient, and maintainer friendly. And everybody hates the whiny, whistling- sound of the pratts.