I was on the highway doing 80-90mph, I went to switch lanes and there was a big pothole that looked like it would of swallowed my tire had I fell in it. When I saw the pothole, I froze up and nearly headed right for it. I'm not sure how I managed to avoid falling in it but I'm sure glad I did.

what I wanted to know is, what is the best way to make a sudden change of direction when traveling at high speeds? Do you just lean or what???

 

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what I wanted to know is, what is the best way to make a sudden change of direction when traveling at high speeds? Do you just lean or what??? </TD></TR></TABLE>

same way you turn the bike any other time....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jewjew bean &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was on the highway doing 80-90mph, I went to switch lanes and there was a big pothole that looked like it would of swallowed my tire had I fell in it. When I saw the pothole, I froze up and nearly headed right for it. I'm not sure how I managed to avoid falling in it but I'm sure glad I did.

what I wanted to know is, what is the best way to make a sudden change of direction when traveling at high speeds? Do you just lean or what??? </TD></TR></TABLE>


FAIL. 80-90&lt;--- Probably the more likely MPH. If you had taken the MSF you would know how to react. 2 types, slow, the swerve; swerve, then slow. In this case it would be the former.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jewjew bean &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was on the highway doing 80-90mph, I went to switch lanes and there was a big pothole that looked like it would of swallowed my tire had I fell in it. When I saw the pothole, I froze up and nearly headed right for it. I'm not sure how I managed to avoid falling in it but I'm sure glad I did.

what I wanted to know is, what is the best way to make a sudden change of direction when traveling at high speeds? Do you just lean or what??? </TD></TR></TABLE>
You haven't taken the MSF class, have you?

 

I've taken the MSF and I had forgotten the two ways to avoid. lol My instinct at that speed would be to swerve long before trying to brake, especially if it flew up on you like that. And at that speed I start by counter steering and then leaning, at least that's how I do it. When there aren't other cars around I practice swerving from one part of the lane to the other using those techniques on the highway. Then should a problem arise hopefully I'm ready for it.

 

If you scan ahead, and travel at a reasonable MPH, you can see obstacles and come up with a plan and execute all before you reach the problem. Unless you were doing 90mph around a bend on the freeway and you were looking at the pretty girl in the car next to you and didn't see it.

*edit* just say you lived in Florida so no excuse for going around a curve.

 

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*edit* just say you lived in Florida so no excuse for going around a curve. </TD></TR></TABLE>
It's the girl in the red dress. That's why he didn't see the agent...errr, pothole...coming.

Keep your eyes away from the pothole. You'd look for the most likely escape route, then focus on getting there, whether it be slow then swerve, swerve, or wheelie the bish.

Swerving requires a fairly hard push on the bars when you're traveling at such high speeds.

 

Like Herb said. Look far out and don't focus on the pothole. Easier said than done. But if you stare at it, there's a good chance that you'll hit it. A little push on the bars and you'll swerve around most pot holes or objects with ease. Just remember to swerve back!

 

probably shouldnt be going that fast if you cant control the bike at those speeds anyways

and take msf if you havent done so already

 

Counter steer for the initial input to get the bike to lean in the correct direction, at the same time weighting the inner peg and steer towards safety.

Now I say all this with a grain of salt, BECAUSE, what can happen is you can create more of a problem than the original obstruction might have caused. If you over correct in an obtuse direction you can be in trouble, if you correct into the path of another vehicle you can be in trouble, If you over correct into steering undulations/tank slappers you can be in trouble.

MOST safety courses will in fact tell you to continue on towards the obstruction, unwieght your **** off the seat and ride through it... say like a rabbit, dog or a pothole. This is what I do if there is no time to correct. But if its a boulder or larger obstruction, you can bet I am going to give it my all before striking the object. This may include maneuvers upto and including low siding the bike into a larger object like a car or such

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MSchu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Counter steer for the initial input to get the bike to lean in the correct direction, at the same time weighting the inner peg and steer towards safety.

Now I say all this with a grain of salt, BECAUSE, what can happen is you can create more of a problem than the original obstruction might have caused. If you over correct in an obtuse direction you can be in trouble, if you correct into the path of another vehicle you can be in trouble, If you over correct into steering undulations/tank slappers you can be in trouble.

MOST safety courses will in fact tell you to continue on towards the obstruction, unwieght your **** off the seat and ride through it... say like a rabbit, dog or a pothole. This is what I do if there is no time to correct. But if its a boulder or larger obstruction, you can bet I am going to give it my all before striking the object. This may include maneuvers upto and including low siding the bike into a larger object like a car or such</TD></TR></TABLE>


great answer!!! Someone for once knows how to make a post without saying msf.

 

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great answer!!! Someone for once knows how to make a post without saying msf.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Our faults for trying to pass on some valuable information to help you remain alive. Apparently you're ego is too big to let you take any advice from people with experience. Enjoy your life, squid all you want, and end up crashing because you made some dumbass move. Don't come crying in here afterwards though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 96 SOHC VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've taken the MSF and I had forgotten the two ways to avoid. lol My instinct at that speed would be to swerve long before trying to brake, especially if it flew up on you like that. And at that speed I start by counter steering and then leaning, at least that's how I do it. When there aren't other cars around I practice swerving from one part of the lane to the other using those techniques on the highway. Then should a problem arise hopefully I'm ready for it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Please remember to use S.E.E.

S.earch.

E.valuate.

E.xecute.

 

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MOST safety courses will in fact tell you to continue on towards the obstruction, unwieght your **** off the seat and ride through it... say like a rabbit, dog or a pothole. This is what I do if there is no time to correct. But if its a boulder or larger obstruction, you can bet I am going to give it my all before striking the object. This may include maneuvers upto and including low siding the bike into a larger object like a car or such</TD></TR></TABLE>

i was going to say the same thing but i learned this through motocross/woods riding, then on the street...you will be surprised what you can hit and keep going straight, you might catch a lil air time but its better then busting your ***.

 

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Please remember to use S.E.E.

S.earch.

E.valuate.

E.xecute.

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Man, lets see how well you ride and use all those lovely tidbits you learned in the MSF course once you actually start riding.... **** happens and stuff you read in a book or at 10mph in the MSF course will not save your *** out on the roads. It's food for thought and does help to a degree, but seat time is what it takes to experience mistakes first hand and learn how to correct them. Just don't confuse book knowledge with experience, because I have seen many new riders (over confident) get in over their heads and get hurt

 

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Man, lets see how well you ride and use all those lovely tidbits you learned in the MSF course once you actually start riding.... **** happens and stuff you read in a book or at 10mph in the MSF course will not save your *** out on the roads. It's food for thought and does help to a degree, but seat time is what it takes to experience mistakes first hand and learn how to correct them. Just don't confuse book knowledge with experience, because I have seen many new riders (over confident) get in over their heads and get hurt</TD></TR></TABLE>

I echo these sentiments, and I'm not trying to be a dick at all.

Telling everyone little cutsey abbreviations of how to react in situations will not make us think you are experienced, and mroe importantly, I doubt it will help someone asking for advice. You said you've ridden about 100 miles so far? I think it's a bit early to be giving advice. like fatboy said, MSF won't teach you what riding 10,000 miles will.

Hell, I don't chime in on these riding technique threads either, I've only been riding for 4 years.

 

Cutsey abreviations help for the classroom part of the of msf. They need something to test you on. The idea is to get you thinking the right way. If you see something in the road (searching), make a decision (evaluate), do something (execute). Its getting you into a frame of mind. Its to help you think about watching traffic, the roads, and being ready to change what your doing.

Riding a motorcycle requires quick thought and execution. That stuff will save your *** out on the roads if you process it quickly. If your thinking about an abreviation your [freak]ed.

OP the longer you ride the more you discover that bikes can handle potholes and other types of junk in the road no problem. Keep your head up and look where you want to go.

What I learned in MSF was invaluable and saved myself a few times in the first 100 miles and even to this day. Learning good habits when you first start riding means your less likely to learn bad habits and helps you become a better rider.
If you already learned to ride on the dirt, maybe not.

 

"Dont think... FEEL!"

B.L.

 

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Our faults for trying to pass on some valuable information to help you remain alive. Apparently you're ego is too big to let you take any advice from people with experience. Enjoy your life, squid all you want, and end up crashing because you made some dumbass move. Don't come crying in here afterwards though. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I would really appreciate it if you did in fact pass on some valuable info. Did you not think I knew of msf course before hand?

thank you very much

 

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Man, lets see how well you ride and use all those lovely tidbits you learned in the MSF course once you actually start riding.... **** happens and stuff you read in a book or at 10mph in the MSF course will not save your *** out on the roads. It's food for thought and does help to a degree, but seat time is what it takes to experience mistakes first hand and learn how to correct them. Just don't confuse book knowledge with experience, because I have seen many new riders (over confident) get in over their heads and get hurt</TD></TR></TABLE>

To a degree? You do this (S.E.E.) every single second you're going down the road haha.

Everyone in here that actually thinks by the MSF telling people to Search, Evaluate, Execute, that this somehow means that you need to take time and slowly do each step is retarded. It's just putting into words what is already going through your head in a fraction of a second. They just say it to drive it home.

It's not like you're going down the road and when a car pulls in front of you, you're like "OK, well hmmm I recall the MSF class last year telling me that I need to S.E.E. I see a car, oh silly guy he pulled out in front of me, I will just slow down and say excuse me sir."


Modified by Dunc at 11:35 AM 9/26/2008

 

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To a degree? You do this (S.E.E.) every single second you're going down the road haha.

Everyone in here that actually thinks by the MSF telling people to Search, Evaluate, Execute, that this somehow means that you need to take time and slowly do each step is retarded. It's just putting into words what is already going through your head in a fraction of a second. They just say it to drive it home.

It's not like you're going down the road and when a car pulls in front of you, you're like "OK, well hmmm I recall the MSF class last year telling me that I need to S.E.E. I see a car, oh silly guy he pulled out in front of me, I will just slow down and say excuse me sir."
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I don't recall anyone saying you need to slowly execute safe driving steps. The point is that while MSF is a good learning tool, it alone is not going to save you in the real world. Reaction time increases with practice (actual riding), and there is no substitute for seat time. It gets really annoying to read through numerous posts with people claiming you need the MSF or else you will be a terrible rider.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fatboy01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1.)I don't recall anyone saying you need to slowly execute safe driving steps. The point is that while MSF is a good learning tool, it alone is not going to save you in the real world. Reaction time increases with practice (actual riding), and there is no substitute for seat time. 2.)It gets really annoying to read through numerous posts with people claiming you need the MSF or else you will be a terrible rider. </TD></TR></TABLE>
1.) Huh? I don't recall saying that you needed to slowly execute either. I said you are getting it driven home what you already do anyways. You're executing in some form or another to avoid an accident.

2.) Based on the statistics that I've seen I would say that claim is accurate though haha.