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is this worth to get?

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2345650

 

no it will not improve your handling, its a ricer jungle gym for car shows, your money is best spent else where

 

i think their clean but like 400 bucks pricy 2 or 3 hundo more and u can get a clean cage

 

Again, what is your purpose? Not to be stereotypical, but is this just for looks? If you want added chassis stiffening then this is a waste of time and money. If you want to learn how to drive, save your money and spend $350 on a track weekend. Seat time is the best investment you can spend on your car, and its on yourself. Full of enjoyment and you walk away with experience in becoming a better driver.

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A cage in a street car is a liability and completely unsafe. A better option would be a 4pt rollbar, but that is pointless if there car is never going to see the track. The point is, goals need to be established so that we can properly answer these types of questions.

 

so, are we saying that the car will be exactly the same in rgidity with or without this brace? this is what some of the above posts indicate...

 

For $400 I bought a kirk 4pt bar

Im sure the cross bar will stiffen up the car some.

But for the price I have rollover protection to save my neck

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by YellowKahuna &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For $400 I bought a kirk 4pt bar

Im sure the cross bar will stiffen up the car some.

But for the price I have rollover protection to save my neck </TD></TR></TABLE>


Listen to this guy

He seems to know alot about cars when it comes to handling.
Reading to much magazines lately?

 

I read lots of magazines didn't think there was anything wrong with that. I also read books to.

 

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He seems to know alot about cars when it comes to handling.
Reading to much magazines lately? </TD></TR></TABLE>

mmm k because educated people that can actually read do visit and comment in this forum with useful info, unlike yourself

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point made, i enjoy reading too

back to the cage discussion, i have been reading up on many accident threads on cages in street cars, and how having a cage in a street car is a very bad idea (let me see if i can dig some of them up). on the other hand as people have mentioned above if you want to build a street car a cage is one of the best investments you can do (in increasing the rigidity of the caR). hope that helps

 

Well, IMO, there's a problem with that statement of having a cage in a street car being dangerous. If I had a choice, I'd much rather be in a caged car with 5 points vs being in an uncaged car in an accident on the street. Now, the thing is, the cages are dangerous under these conditions:

- the cage isn't properly made so it collapses or shatters on impact
- the halo and supports are close to the head so in an impact, the head makes contact with the bars. This is common on cars with the stock seats or when race seats are mounted too high or the halo is too low.

In the cage I want to have in my car, it'll be a full deal DOM Spec Miata cage, but I'm also going to drop my seat down to the ground so that I have plenty of clearance between my head and the cage. I'm also going to ALWAYS wear a 5point and have the seat braced to the cage. That way, movement of my body will be minimized and the dangers of having a cage in a street car are basically null. *puts on flame suit*

 

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mmm k because educated people that can actually read do visit and comment in this forum with useful info, unlike yourself

point made, i enjoy reading too

back to the cage discussion, i have been reading up on many accident threads on cages in street cars, and how having a cage in a street car is a very bad idea (let me see if i can dig some of them up). on the other hand as people have mentioned above if you want to build a street car a cage is one of the best investments you can do (in increasing the rigidity of the caR). hope that helps</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

he's just saying that a cage is dangerous in a street car in a wreck, but as far as stiffening up a chassis (while offering rollover and impact protection), a cage is one of the best things to do.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by omiehomie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">back to the cage discussion, i have been reading up on many accident threads on cages in street cars, and how having a cage in a street car is a very bad idea (let me see if i can dig some of them up).
on the other hand as people have mentioned above if you want to build a TRACK car a cage is one of the best investments you can do (in increasing the rigidity of the caR). hope that helps</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol i fixed the statement, i hope it makes more sense, caffeine owns me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by garados &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now, the thing is, the cages are dangerous under these conditions:

- the cage isn't properly made so it collapses or shatters on impact
- the halo and supports are close to the head so in an impact, the head makes contact with the bars. This is common on cars with the stock seats or when race seats are mounted too high or the halo is too low.

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Just curious, but wouldn't a cage that has these dangerous characteristics be dangerous under any circumstances, regardless of street or track? You can still get into an accident on the track.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tekkaboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just curious, but wouldn't a cage that has these dangerous characteristics be dangerous under any circumstances, regardless of street or track? You can still get into an accident on the track.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're right, hence why I didn't say "on the street." The implication was a cage in general.

The part where I say "the cage isn't properly made so it collapses or shatters on impact" really has to deal with things like heat treatment of finicky metals that loose their strength and hardness characteristics due to welding. So, at the weld, the cage could possibly break, sending tubing and shards of metal all around the cabin. Also, things like bent front/rear supports aren't the best ideas due to the geometric weakness of them. If you look at the Cusco "cage," you'll see the bend to get around the dash and then back underneath it. If a cage is built like that, it WILL collapse in the event of a rollover because the geometry would rather have that bend collapse inward, thereby crushing the cage.

This is more applicable to street use. "the halo and supports are close to the head so in an impact, the head makes contact with the bars. This is common on cars with the stock seats or when race seats are mounted too high or the halo is too low." Even in a race condition where there's padding, HANS units, and helmets, banging your head around and hitting the cage in a race isn't a good thing and usually leads to a bad day of racing. Now, take away the helmet and the HANS and have an accident on the street, and your head is going to fly much farther, much faster, and have far less protection than in a race condition.

So, IMO, build a proper cage to legal spec for SCCA or NASA rules (geometry, material, and heat treatment if applicable), install a racing seat with a brace, drop the seat down and away from the cage, have the proper restraints (5 point harness with the shoulder straps wrapped around the harness bar, not bolted to the rear seatbelt mounts), and make sure the bars aren't near your head or body, and I don't see there being a problem with having a cage on the street.