LS Jackson Supercharger
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Re: LS Jackson Supercharger (SuckMyDOHC)
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lmao..
lmao..
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Re: LS Jackson Supercharger (IntegraType-R)
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lmao..</TD></TR></TABLE>
whats so funny? i'd rather have a sc'd ls than a ls/vtec. it'd have more power down low and probably last longer.
lmao..</TD></TR></TABLE>
whats so funny? i'd rather have a sc'd ls than a ls/vtec. it'd have more power down low and probably last longer.
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Re: LS Jackson Supercharger (SuckMyDOHC)
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i agree, there is nothing funny about this
i agree, there is nothing funny about this
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a whine of a roots style blower thats what...its a unique sound and i personally like a lot...i like the sound of a nice big turbo spoolin up but the blower just sounds awsome...thats just my opinion tho
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last longer?
your morons.. please learn facts before you go stating idiotic comments so newbies can go run to they're friends and tell em how cool they are..
1) a ls/vtec would probably be the same power to to the ground.. specially if your running low boost like most sc's do..
every seen a ls dyno with a sc? its quite sorry mid 190's if that..
a ls/vtec will provide just about the same torque and power numbers.. +, its vtec.. duh..
2) ls/vtec done correctly, will last.. I've tuned quite a few ls/vtecs, and even a buddy who to this day, is running 16psi (low boost) on a sc61.. the ls/vtec is built the correct way, and tuned..
I suggest you people invest in something "worth" the money..
your morons.. please learn facts before you go stating idiotic comments so newbies can go run to they're friends and tell em how cool they are..
1) a ls/vtec would probably be the same power to to the ground.. specially if your running low boost like most sc's do..
every seen a ls dyno with a sc? its quite sorry mid 190's if that..
a ls/vtec will provide just about the same torque and power numbers.. +, its vtec.. duh..
2) ls/vtec done correctly, will last.. I've tuned quite a few ls/vtecs, and even a buddy who to this day, is running 16psi (low boost) on a sc61.. the ls/vtec is built the correct way, and tuned..
I suggest you people invest in something "worth" the money..
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Re: LS Jackson Supercharger (vladd)
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whats so funny? i'd rather have a sc'd ls than a ls/vtec. it'd have more power down low and probably last longer.</TD></TR></TABLE>
whats so funny? i'd rather have a sc'd ls than a ls/vtec. it'd have more power down low and probably last longer.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IntegraType-R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">last longer?
your morons.. please learn facts before you go stating idiotic comments so newbies can go run to they're friends and tell em how cool they are..
1) a ls/vtec would probably be the same power to to the ground.. specially if your running low boost like most sc's do..
every seen a ls dyno with a sc? its quite sorry mid 190's if that..
a ls/vtec will provide just about the same torque and power numbers.. +, its vtec.. duh..
2) ls/vtec done correctly, will last.. I've tuned quite a few ls/vtecs, and even a buddy who to this day, is running 16psi (low boost) on a sc61.. the ls/vtec is built the correct way, and tuned..
I suggest you people invest in something "worth" the money..</TD></TR></TABLE>
your morons? i see a little irony here (hint: don't call people stupid if you can't write it correctly).
1. an ls/vtec, if built with all stock parts (as in stock ls block with stock si/gsr head) will not put out much more, if any, power than a stock gsr engine. a stock gsr motor makes, what, around 140-145 whp? if you can get an ls to make 190 at the wheels with a supercharger, then you're already way ahead of the game. i'm pretty sure 190 isn't possible with the stock boost on a jackson racing sc however. it's stupid to get a vtec head just so you can say your motor's vtec.
2. ls blocks aren't designed to be revved to 8k rpm. now, i don't claim to know which is worse for an ls engine block, revving it to 8k rpm or throwing on a supercharger with the stock redline, but i'm willing to bet the supercharged engine would last longer with all the other variables being the same.
your morons.. please learn facts before you go stating idiotic comments so newbies can go run to they're friends and tell em how cool they are..
1) a ls/vtec would probably be the same power to to the ground.. specially if your running low boost like most sc's do..
every seen a ls dyno with a sc? its quite sorry mid 190's if that..
a ls/vtec will provide just about the same torque and power numbers.. +, its vtec.. duh..
2) ls/vtec done correctly, will last.. I've tuned quite a few ls/vtecs, and even a buddy who to this day, is running 16psi (low boost) on a sc61.. the ls/vtec is built the correct way, and tuned..
I suggest you people invest in something "worth" the money..</TD></TR></TABLE>
your morons? i see a little irony here (hint: don't call people stupid if you can't write it correctly).
1. an ls/vtec, if built with all stock parts (as in stock ls block with stock si/gsr head) will not put out much more, if any, power than a stock gsr engine. a stock gsr motor makes, what, around 140-145 whp? if you can get an ls to make 190 at the wheels with a supercharger, then you're already way ahead of the game. i'm pretty sure 190 isn't possible with the stock boost on a jackson racing sc however. it's stupid to get a vtec head just so you can say your motor's vtec.
2. ls blocks aren't designed to be revved to 8k rpm. now, i don't claim to know which is worse for an ls engine block, revving it to 8k rpm or throwing on a supercharger with the stock redline, but i'm willing to bet the supercharged engine would last longer with all the other variables being the same.
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Originally Posted by vladd
your morons? i see a little irony here (hint: don't call people stupid if you can't write it correctly).
1. an ls/vtec, if built with all stock parts (as in stock ls block with stock si/gsr head) will not put out much more, if any, power than a stock gsr engine. a stock gsr motor makes, what, around 140-145 whp? if you can get an ls to make 190 at the wheels with a supercharger, then you're already way ahead of the game. i'm pretty sure 190 isn't possible with the stock boost on a jackson racing sc however. it's stupid to get a vtec head just so you can say your motor's vtec.
2. ls blocks aren't designed to be revved to 8k rpm. now, i don't claim to know which is worse for an ls engine block, revving it to 8k rpm or throwing on a supercharger with the stock redline, but i'm willing to bet the supercharged engine would last longer with all the other variables being the same.
Stock Gsr with just a blox manifold, no tuning on a p72 ecu, makes roughly about 153whp..
http://www.j-k-tuning.com/imag...o.jpg
Now.
Lets take it a bit futher.. since i'm enlighting alot of people..
http://i86.photobucket.com/alb...s.jpg
A Bone stock ls.. dotted line = bone stock, solid = zex 50 shot, dry.
We all know superchargers will run about 7~7.5 psi on a ls stock, you'll make probably 170~190 depending on tune.
Stock "LS" Bottem ends aren't weak, infact they're one of the stronger honda blocks, infact, the only "weak" thing in the ls is the rod bolts.. again you prove yourself to be a moron with your statements. Whats "weak" in a ls block? Whats weak about the block TELL ME PLEASE.. nothing but the rod bolts, which btw are a complete failure at 8700rpm revs but even then it must be for months at a time and everyday and abusely.. Honda motors are pretty strong in stock form.
a few ls/vtec builds that are minor, and pretty much using all oem parts.
http://www.phearable.net/album...os=16
http://www.phearable.net/album...os=17
now i'm not bais..
how about a supercharged ls?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmVk621_2PA = 14.2 best time.. weak if you ask me for a 3500 bolt on..
http://www.superhonda.com/foru...42721/ scroll down , or look here i pasted it for you.
1994 Acura Integra LS AUTOMATIC
JRSC 6psi/9psi 9psi with MVM pulley
OBX headers
AEM short ram intake
Custom Exhaust with Type R muffler
JR map controller
6psi(currently) 142whp 117wtq
9psi 171whp 156wtq
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173 whp at 7000 rpm
146 tq at 4000 rpm
95 integra LS
Jrsc 6psi
Comptech icebox,stock intake arm and 5 year old k&n filter (I will be changing this soon)
DC 4-2-1 header
Carsound 2.25 hi-flow cat
Comptech exhaust catback
walbro 255 lph
Ngk 1 step colder plugs
Hondata s200
RC 440cc injectors
Hondata manifold gasket
Koyo race radiator
All in all? Ls/vtec stock vs a supercharged ls stock..
lsvtec will beat the supercharged ls..by alot.. how long will they last? Well consider this your "forcing air" in a supercharged, STock lsvtec using oem parts.. the way honda built the parts? think about it.. why wouldn't it last.. Tune it correctly, Dont rev it over 8500 if you haven't upgraded your rob bolts and your done..
Dont argue with me, there's a reason they call me the "all motor" bouncer in the all motor forum.
To the OP take this with a grain of salt, search, if you wanna go fast, pm me. i'll tell you the quickest, easiest and cheapest ways.
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Re: (IntegraType-R)
first off, a gsr with "just a blox im" isn't a stock gsr. also, if you're using the price of a brand new supercharger to say that ls/vtec is cheaper, then you should also use the price of a brand new head from honda. used superchargers can be found for pretty cheap (i remember looking into a used jackson racing for my gsr, they were selling for ~$1200-1300 at the time, and i'm sure ones for an ls are even cheaper). you better include the price of pistons from honda while you're at it, and whatever other extra parts were used on the cars that you've shown the dyno charts of.
how can you possibly try to compare the dyno chart of an AUTOMATIC supercharged ls against a 5 SPEED ls/vtec? if you're the performance god that you claim to be, then you know very well that an auto will make less power at the wheels.
if you're going to compare the 2, and call me stupid, then you should put in the effort to make smart arguments. make the comparisons as equal as possible. if brand new part prices, then brand new part prices for everything. if showing dyno charts of automatics, then show automatics on both the supercharged and ls/vtec charts. let's not be biased here
how can you possibly try to compare the dyno chart of an AUTOMATIC supercharged ls against a 5 SPEED ls/vtec? if you're the performance god that you claim to be, then you know very well that an auto will make less power at the wheels.
if you're going to compare the 2, and call me stupid, then you should put in the effort to make smart arguments. make the comparisons as equal as possible. if brand new part prices, then brand new part prices for everything. if showing dyno charts of automatics, then show automatics on both the supercharged and ls/vtec charts. let's not be biased here
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I didn't really bother reading most of the "helpful posts" above, but here's my 2 cents.
If you're looking for a strictly street / Auto X car, a JRSC is a decent choice, but not the best. On a short Auto X course, you're going to want to ditch the long-geared LS tranny for something like the GSR or possibly B16 and also consider some kind of forced induction if you need more power than the stock motor produces.
I dont however think the JRSC is the "best" way to make that power. If the tracks are short, you might not have as much to worry about, but with all non-aftercooled roots style blowers, heat (and heat soak) is going to be your biggest enemy. Since the JRSC is mounted in place of the intake manifold, its not really able to run any sort of aftercooler (although it is possible). You may even consider a Water/ Alcohol injection setup to keep IAT's down.
My advice would be to build a small, fast-spooling turbo setup on a straight T3 platform. You want to have boost soon, but not too soon so dont look too long at anything much smaller than a T3. There are a few T2 flanged turbos like the GT28rs that would work rather well for Auto X, but thats a story for another day.
All in all, you need to decide what you're willing and able to spend on this setup. What kind of power are you really looking to make and what kind of characteristics are important to you and your setup.
**By the way, you're going to get a lot better answers in the Forced Induction Forum**
If you're looking for a strictly street / Auto X car, a JRSC is a decent choice, but not the best. On a short Auto X course, you're going to want to ditch the long-geared LS tranny for something like the GSR or possibly B16 and also consider some kind of forced induction if you need more power than the stock motor produces.
I dont however think the JRSC is the "best" way to make that power. If the tracks are short, you might not have as much to worry about, but with all non-aftercooled roots style blowers, heat (and heat soak) is going to be your biggest enemy. Since the JRSC is mounted in place of the intake manifold, its not really able to run any sort of aftercooler (although it is possible). You may even consider a Water/ Alcohol injection setup to keep IAT's down.
My advice would be to build a small, fast-spooling turbo setup on a straight T3 platform. You want to have boost soon, but not too soon so dont look too long at anything much smaller than a T3. There are a few T2 flanged turbos like the GT28rs that would work rather well for Auto X, but thats a story for another day.
All in all, you need to decide what you're willing and able to spend on this setup. What kind of power are you really looking to make and what kind of characteristics are important to you and your setup.
**By the way, you're going to get a lot better answers in the Forced Induction Forum**
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Re: (IntegraType-R)
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I posted a standard ls supercharged under the automatic..
There's really no performance hinder if you tune correctly..</TD></TR></TABLE>
no, i can read perfectly fine. i didn't see dyno results for a 5 speed supercharged ls; only for an auto. maybe you should spend more time proofreading your posts?
if you're trying to pass off the 14.2 time from the video as an alternative for a dyno chart, then try again. we all know 1/4 mile times aren't a direct equation of power. there are a lot of things that affect the time. i'm sure there are plenty of ls/vtec's that run higher than 14.2.
I posted a standard ls supercharged under the automatic..
There's really no performance hinder if you tune correctly..</TD></TR></TABLE>
no, i can read perfectly fine. i didn't see dyno results for a 5 speed supercharged ls; only for an auto. maybe you should spend more time proofreading your posts?
if you're trying to pass off the 14.2 time from the video as an alternative for a dyno chart, then try again. we all know 1/4 mile times aren't a direct equation of power. there are a lot of things that affect the time. i'm sure there are plenty of ls/vtec's that run higher than 14.2.
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Re: (vladd)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vladd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you're trying to pass off the 14.2 time from the video as an alternative for a dyno chart, then try again. we all know 1/4 mile times aren't a direct equation of power. there are a lot of things that affect the time. i'm sure there are plenty of ls/vtec's that run higher than 14.2.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not sticking up for either side because i'm not getting in the middle of this "debate" but i agree 1/4 mile times are not good indicators of the power a car makes; however, the trap speed is...
I'm not sticking up for either side because i'm not getting in the middle of this "debate" but i agree 1/4 mile times are not good indicators of the power a car makes; however, the trap speed is...
