like the title says, i am a student with a 2k budget. i would like to hit the 200whp mark without the use of forced induction. i have a 2001 b18b1. any recommendations on how this can be accomplished, all work except the machining will be done by me,also i will have to pay for tuning but that is on a budget of its own i have 500 for tuning. 2k for engine.any recommendations will be appreciated.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kronikSLOW &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">like the title says, i am a student with a 2k budget. i would like to hit the 200whp mark without the use of forced induction. i have a 2001 b18b1. any recommendations on how this can be accomplished, all work except the machining will be done by me,also i will have to pay for tuning but that is on a budget of its own i have 500 for tuning. 2k for engine.any recommendations will be appreciated.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is NO WAY you can reach 200WHP without turboing a b18b, especially with a budget that small.... I doubt you can even get to 200WHP with a Turbo set up with only 2 grand.. You are extremely limited to what you can do with that engine without going Turbo...

 

my goals are to pretty much get what i can out of it and then later transfer into turbo. with the existing parts.

 

LS Vtec. B16 or GSR tranny.

 

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But he wants 200WHP with 2 grand. lol.

 

i would say ebay turbo would be your best bet 600 or so shipped, but if you really want na then i would say cams and high comp pistons spring and retainers, otherwise thats it you are very limited with that motor NA
unless u squeeze about 400 for a NOS kit

 

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Please do not get anything from ebay. That turbo will break in less than a year. And just ruin your motor. I owned one when i first got into the Honda game will never do it again.

Buy a GSR or a B16 head and slap that on your LS block and get a decent tranny and youll be rockin.

 

just hold off till you have the money to turbo it, cause if you go NA you dont want high comp setup for your turbo, its better to go with a low compression with a turbo, so you will just be wasting money,- ebay turbo plus pistons and cams retainers for about 2k.... have fun debating what your gonna do

 

listen to these people...save your money for a turbo build or a new motor.

 

If you buy an ebay turbo your going to be spending more than the 600 advertised. Once you break that turbo ***** gonna break in your motor too. Thats thousands of dollars. You can build an LS vtec and use the stock LS pistons which are a fairly low compression. And will take boost when you save up more money after the LS vtec build.

 

if i go ls/vtec what should i do to the bottom end...hot tank..micro polish?

 

i would keep it the 1.8 dont bore it, change your rod bolts to the B18c ones i belive(please correct if worng) get the bottom end clean and micropolish, the main part is to upgrade your rod bolts lol... there is plenty or LSV threads out there ... some research will provide some $$ answers

 

gsr tranny it and be happy

 

Type in the search for How to build a reliable

And then you will see a thread from BamBam.

And the rod bolts you want are the ones from ARP not any honda ones.

 

You're going to need a lot more than a 2k budget to get to your 200whp goal. Since you plan on going turbo later anyways I'd say just save money and a get a good turbo.

 

200 whp is easily attainable with less than 2k.

 

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Without Boost? With a B18B? I dont think so my friend, even with 2 grand, your going to have a cheap *** build that is going to be ****, and wont last long...

 

I have a Ls n i didnt have ne head work done really a lil but i had stock trany, stock cams, stock pistons, pretty much all stock internals n i was around 180whp but now im doing a GS-R swap cuz its so much easier to work wit n i will be pushing roughly around 250whp with intake, exaust, n sum head work but i also have a question does ne1 have ne good ideas wat i shud do with it that will prepare it for boost later on?

 

nitrous. reliable when done right, cheap, if you can't afford juice this weekend, wait till next. no constant straint on your engine. use it when you need it, ect... or 2k is a good start on an h22 swap.

 

thanks for all the replies but i think i know what im going to do..

 

your dumb... Have you heard of an Ls-Vtec? He has 2 grand to play with. not including money for tuning. You can pick up a Gsr head for under five hundred. and the Lsvtec kit from GE for what less than a hundred? WTF thats only 600??? Then he can get some pistons/cams/springs/retainers/high comp valves. OMG RIGHT AT 2g's. Oh wait that will be like over 200whp with a good tuner which he has a seperate budget for. And this is using all brand new parts or qualty used ones from the marketplace end of story. I would rather have a strong built all motor LS-v for 2k than a stock LS with a crap of a 2k turbo kit. not to mention the fact your going to have an almost brand new motor. after you put in all the new parts. Say hello to another 100,000 miles easily. Turbo not so much. unless you rebuild.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Horseofcourse &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your dumb... Have you heard of an Ls-Vtec? He has 2 grand to play with. not including money for tuning. You can pick up a Gsr head for under five hundred. and the Lsvtec kit from GE for what less than a hundred? WTF thats only 600??? Then he can get some pistons/cams/springs/retainers/high comp valves. OMG RIGHT AT 2g's. Oh wait that will be like over 200whp with a good tuner which he has a seperate budget for. And this is using all brand new parts or qualty used ones from the marketplace end of story. I would rather have a strong built all motor LS-v for 2k than a stock LS with a crap of a 2k turbo kit. not to mention the fact your going to have an almost brand new motor. after you put in all the new parts. Say hello to another 100,000 miles easily. Turbo not so much. unless you rebuild.
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Hahaha. Good joke. Tell another please. Its this type of mindset that will blow an engine.

Anyways, to the OP, please save your money. $2000 really is not a lot of money when you want to start dealing with the engine. Not to mention that you are still in school, and when you do turbo a motor, or build a high compression NA motor, things will always pop up for repair. So you may have $2000, and lets hypothetically assume it will get you to 200whp, when something breaks will you have the money to get the car up and running so you can make to to your classes the next day?

Furthermore, there are other parts that are often overlooked when dealing with motors that will need your attention. Chances are you will need a new clutch, a better radiator, a better fuel pump, better injectors, better spark plugs, new gaskets, etc. All that adds up and will easily break your $2000 budget.

 

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Hahaha. Good joke. Tell another please. Its this type of mindset that will blow an engine.

Anyways, to the OP, please save your money. $2000 really is not a lot of money when you want to start dealing with the engine. Not to mention that you are still in school, and when you do turbo a motor, or build a high compression NA motor, things will always pop up for repair. So you may have $2000, and lets hypothetically assume it will get you to 200whp, when something breaks will you have the money to get the car up and running so you can make to to your classes the next day?

Furthermore, there are other parts that are often overlooked when dealing with motors that will need your attention. Chances are you will need a new clutch, a better radiator, a better fuel pump, better injectors, better spark plugs, new gaskets, etc. All that adds up and will easily break your $2000 budget.</TD></TR></TABLE>

not exactly. LS-Vtec can be done reliable if the engine is pulled apart and the 9mm GSR style rod bolts are machined to fit. Horse is also talking about an NA build which 10 times out of 10 is less stressful than using a turbo on the same engine. the LS, GSR and Type R all use the same 23-ish pound per hour injectors. at 60psi that actually squirt a little over 27LB which should be able to support 200whp. the duty cycle is getting up there though. 180-190whp does seem to be a common place to stop with the stockers. If the OP learned how to do all of the labor himself when it came to setting up the engine his 2k goal would be do-able. you figure 11:1 compression, crower stage 2 cams. a b16 head with ITR manifold, or GSR with blox, skunk or edelbrock. home ported. a good tune and 9200rpm redline would probably have that 200whp mark. the fuel pump and radiator should be good. if heat does become an issue $200 on ebay fixes the problem. colder spark plugs are a given, what are those $10 a set? clutch? probably not a bad idea to move up. i mean this might go over 2k but it wouldn't be too much. i have around 3k in my GSR rebuild and i used a fairly exotic piston and farmed out the labor.

 

I would piece a turbo setup together. Buy used parts and keep an eye out on deals. It's definitely possible. I just bought a rev hard manifold right here off the markertplace for 110 shipped. No cracks.

Find the deals man. Be patient.

 

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There is NO WAY you can reach 200WHP without turboing a b18b, especially with a budget that small.... I doubt you can even get to 200WHP with a Turbo set up with only 2 grand.. You are extremely limited to what you can do with that engine without going Turbo...</TD></TR></TABLE>

i just have to say you my friend are retarded.

my friend made 265 whp witha $600 turbo setup. tuned himself. still runs been atleast 15 months now. you just got to know what your doing.