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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 09:58 PM
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well lately ive been thinking and thinking about what i plan on doing with my car over the winter, i just picked up a 1994 integra rs that i plan on driving during the winter... here are a couple of the options i have chosen along with pricing and benefits/downsides of each

A)rebuild b18c5 to oem specs and have a stock R that i can sell in the spring
price- $500-$800
benefits- easier resale
negatives- will give me no incentive to keep the car as it will be quick but not quick enough for me

B)rebuild b18c5 for supercharger
price- $3,000-$3,500
benefits- good all around power, reliable
negatives- too much tq down low with a fwd is horrible, not as good gas mileage

C) rebuild b18c5 for turbo
price- $4,000-$5,000
benefits- capable of 450whp on pump, still get good gas mileage, best bang/buck
negatives- puts lot of stress on everything, not quite as reliable

D)K-swap, rebuild c5 and put into the Rs
price-$6,000-$7,500
benefits- honda reliability with 220whp, good gas mileage, 6 speed, unique-ness
negatives-cost, low bang/buck, not as easy to return to stock

with doing the k swap i could sell the rs in the spring time to recoupe some of the money that was spent on the K and could likely walk away with being the cheapest (sell Rs for 6,000, meaning 1,500-2,000 put into doing k swap)


which would you choose and why, would it be for the benefits of power, reliability, or resale value ( i always look into the resale value and would not choose an option that i would lose too much money on)
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:04 PM
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i have seen some k swaps run alot more the 6 or 7 , but if u could get it i would
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:19 PM
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if you get the k swap and want to sell your c5 lmk im looking for a legit itr swap miles dont matter since ima rebuild it lmk

also if i could go k swap i would so if you can go for the k swap
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 03:58 AM
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What's wrong with your current motor? What are you going to be doing with the car? Stock ITR motor > ***
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 06:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bradstard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What's wrong with your current motor? What are you going to be doing with the car? Stock ITR motor &gt; ***</TD></TR></TABLE>

the current motor needs rings, if it was running good i probably wouldnt worry about it all that much

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rhd94teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have seen some k swaps run alot more the 6 or 7 , but if u could get it i would </TD></TR></TABLE>

by the time i sold the rs it would run me at most 4k out of pocket to get it done, i figure 4k would get me a b series thats about equal to a stock K with bolt-ons so why not go with a motor with alot more potential
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 06:56 AM
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Already answered this one... Keep the damn K-series out of the R... put it in your RS and sell that.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 07:16 AM
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Werd, don't put heR motor in an RS. Plenty of C5 motors are separated from their mommas, don't be another statistic If you're insistent on a K, then sell the C5 to another R owner (99hondacura) to be put in an R.
Though if I wanted to rebuild, I'd prolly lean towards a Bradstard style NA monsteR
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 07:23 AM
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You and I have the same predicament. I have considered all the same options and I'm still stumped as for what to do. I'm way past the point of caring about resale value however. As of now, a light N/A build seems to be the most logical. Killing 2 birds with one stone. Going F/I is just too much money and too unpredictable.

I vote for a rebuild with a goal of 200whp(ish).
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 08:40 AM
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It depends what the car is going to be used for. For a weekend track car, a stock motor is the best choice. You can thrash on it all weekend and it just keeps on going. Reliability &gt; ***
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:38 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bradstard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It depends what the car is going to be used for. For a weekend track car, a stock motor is the best choice. You can thrash on it all weekend and it just keeps on going. Reliability &gt; ***</TD></TR></TABLE>

to be honest with ya i would love to say its going to get tracked, but there arent many tracks near me and im a broke college kid,so it will probably see local autocrosses and the drag strip

i bought the car with a budget in mind and want to stick to it, after talkin to dave the other day i was almost convinced to do the K in the rs and keep the R stock but im just not the type to have a 10,000+ car and not drive it or have it perform to my expectations... i just had a 340whp integra and sold it for this car so for me to keep it "stock" just isnt going to happen..

i would love to keep it n/a but to get a B series to perform like a K it would take away alot of the reliability that i want from it n/a

it honestly seems like the K is the best bet to have it perform like i want and still have oem reliability along with a decent resale value

ugh decisions

btw i was trying to sell this c5 for past month but i had no bites, im not going to sell it for 2,500 bc honestly at that price id much rather rebuild it and enjoy it in the rs
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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Sell the R... put the K in the RS... and have extra money to boost the K in the RS... problem solved.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EARLdaSQUIRREL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
...im a broke college kid...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Stop f-ing around with cars and finish school.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:03 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bradstard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Stop f-ing around with cars and finish school. </TD></TR></TABLE>

doubt that will ever happen, already have one degree and now going back for another

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave_B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sell the R... put the K in the RS... and have extra money to boost the K in the RS... problem solved. </TD></TR></TABLE>
like i said i truely thought about it, but it just wouldnt be the same, wouldnt handle as well and i would end up putting 5 lug and the interior into the rs

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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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Why wouldn't it be the same? I mean... sure the chassis has some minor differences... but by selling the ITR you'll have more than plenty of $ to put the K in and get it to handle like an ITR.

This way you don't ghey (K) up another ITR...

Put a 5 lug on it (don't understand why other than it's 5 lugs instead of 4... rims are easier to come by in 4 lug) and the interior I can understand...
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:10 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave_B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Put a 5 lug on it (don't understand why other than it's 5 lugs instead of 4... rims are easier to come by in 4 lug) and the interior I can understand...</TD></TR></TABLE>

the brakes on this car are phenomenal compared to a stock integra

and i couldnt get out from under this car for less then 10 and who would want to buy an itr that needs paint and a motor rebuild for 10?
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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It's as simple as changing pads.

Why not just build the ITR stock? Or mild NA with the B-series? Why is that out of the question?

And how would the ITR have no motor? I said K in the RS... not the C5.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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just take care of the r and put the k in the rs
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:46 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave_B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's as simple as changing pads.

Why not just build the ITR stock? Or mild NA with the B-series? Why is that out of the question?

And how would the ITR have no motor? I said K in the RS... not the C5.</TD></TR></TABLE>

dont remember saying no motor in itr, but anyways.. ya this all making my head spin, has been for awhile now, i appreciate all the opinions and there really making me think about everything,

i could build the itr stock but like i said i would probably end up selling it in the spring because it just wouldnt be enough power for me especially after my last car putting down 340

and when ya start to modify it the costs add up and to get anything above 220 would cost me the same as a K when the K is a stock cam'd stock internal honda longblock with the reliability that goes along with it

for a stock rebuild would run me between 500-800
cams-600
valvesprings/retainers 200-300
nice header-1,000
intake 100-200
pistons-300
exhaust-400
neptune/tuning 400

thats close to 4,000

K series would be
k20a2-2,500 (connections)
swap parts- 4,000 MAX
exhaust-400
header is included in swap parts
intake 100-200
k-pro included in swap parts
tune 300

rebuild c5 and put into rs =800
sell rs for 6,000= (4,000 profit from motor)
sell b18b from rs=700

would cost me a little over a grand when all said and done for a K swap into the R .. a stock rebuild is a little less than that
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Dude, you keep comparing to your last Integra. Even if you go K with bolt-ons and a tune...I think you're still gonna be noticeably short of what you're used to....and having sunk a lot more money. Just sayin'
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:53 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EARLdaSQUIRREL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i could build the itr stock but like i said i would probably end up selling it in the spring because it just wouldnt be enough power for me especially after my last car putting down 340

and when ya start to modify it the costs add up and to get anything above 220 would cost me the same as a K when the K is a stock cam'd stock internal honda longblock with the reliability that goes along with it

for a stock rebuild would run me between 500-800
cams-600
valvesprings/retainers 200-300
nice header-1,000
intake 100-200
pistons-300
exhaust-400
neptune/tuning 400

thats close to 4,000

K series would be
k20a2-2,500 (connections)
swap parts- 4,000 MAX
exhaust-400
header is included in swap parts
intake 100-200
k-pro included in swap parts
tune 300

rebuild c5 and put into rs =800
sell rs for 6,000= (4,000 profit from motor)
sell b18b from rs=700

would cost me a little over a grand when all said and done for a K swap into the R .. a stock rebuild is a little less than that
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I don't see how another car putting down 340 HP making any sense in your statement. Hell, you could have had a 340 deisel truck... which in this case would make no sense... the ITR wasn't designed to be a high HP car... if that's what your after I'd sell the ITR now and the RS and just start from scratch.

Why do you have to have more than 220 WHP? If so... why not boost it? I mean... boost cost vs. K cost = roughly the same.

I sorta get your logic... but why do you have to have the K series in the car? WHY??? I just don't get that part? Why not just get a RSX and boost it? Or build it? Why not have a supra if HP is what your after? Why get a chassis to start with that was built from the factory to be a handling car, and not designed to be a high HP drag car?

I guess that's where I don't get your logic... Is it to say "Y0... I got a TypeR with xyz HP?" If not... then just sell the ITR and start over with another chassis. You said your not going to track it... so why not get something for drag racing and straight line activities?
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 11:02 AM
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i never said i wont be tracking it, i was just being honest saying i cant afford to track it like some of you guys do, it would probably see a track atleast one or 2 times a year

im not out for all out horsepower, or for drag racing, but i want a car that will perform when i want it to...

yes boost cost would normally be about the same, but i want to stay away from turbo on this car, hell of all things i thought people would rather have a naturally aspirated K then a boosted B

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Doespike &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dude, you keep comparing to your last Integra. Even if you go K with bolt-ons and a tune...I think you're still gonna be noticeably short of what you're used to....and having sunk a lot more money. Just sayin'</TD></TR></TABLE>

with how everything adds up i would only be putting about 2k into the car and it would run low 13's which i would be very happy with... if my stock motor was in great shape i wouldnt mind putting 2,000 into it and running the same times, but the fact is i would have to rebuild the motor first and then start from scratch which is the reason why a K is not much more
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 11:07 AM
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if I were doing it over again, I would do a bottom end build with a stock head and keep the stock redline.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 11:10 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EARLdaSQUIRREL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i never said i wont be tracking it, i was just being honest saying i cant afford to track it like some of you guys do, it would probably see a track atleast one or 2 times a year

im not out for all out horsepower, or for drag racing, but i want a car that will perform when i want it to...

yes boost cost would normally be about the same, but i want to stay away from turbo on this car, hell of all things i thought people would rather have a naturally aspirated K then a boosted B

with how everything adds up i would only be putting about 2k into the car and it would run low 13's which i would be very happy with... if my stock motor was in great shape i wouldnt mind putting 2,000 into it and running the same times, but the fact is i would have to rebuild the motor first and then start from scratch which is the reason why a K is not much more</TD></TR></TABLE>

You said you probably won't see any track time as there aren't any tracks near you and your a broke college kid. Which, really is ok. Nothing wrong with that.

The way you make it sound is you want something with more HP than 340 of your last car. Even a built K NA it's going to be hard to beat 340 WHP...

Answer me this... why do you have to put a K series motor in the car? And why must it be more than 220 WHP or 340 WHP of your last car? I guess that's what I don't get... What's wrong with an NA B series car? If you want to stay away from boost?

They way I'm reading all of this is you want a fast drag race car, which again is ok. But why do it with an ITR? Is it to say you have an ITR that is xyz fast or has xyz HP? If so, that's cool I guess... but why the ITR? Why not a 12 second or faster RS? What's wrong with the RS?

You could sell the RS, and build the B series to decent WHP and still be up on the game.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave_B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You said you probably won't see any track time as there aren't any tracks near you and your a broke college kid. Which, really is ok. Nothing wrong with that.
i go to watkins glen every year as its close by (less than an hour) but besides that there arent many track days that are less than 100, and i planned on attending expo 9

The way you make it sound is you want something with more HP than 340 of your last car. Even a built K NA it's going to be hard to beat 340 WHP...
no no no, i know i wont be near what that car had, but a stock itr is lucky to put down above 180's with bolt on's, once you start doing cams and bottom end builds it takes away from the reliability and the price starts going way up. a stock K with bolt ons can reach 220whp and still be oem reliable

Answer me this... why do you have to put a K series motor in the car? And why must it be more than 220 WHP or 340 WHP of your last car? I guess that's what I don't get... What's wrong with an NA B series car? If you want to stay away from boost?i dont want it to be more than 220whp or even close to 340whp, i figure if i can get over 200 n/a i will be quick enough for what i want, and there is nothing wrong with a n/a b series at all, ive been there and done that and it takes alot of work to get decent power out of them and i can get that power from a stock k20a2 longblock...

They way I'm reading all of this is you want a fast drag race car, which again is ok. But why do it with an ITR? Is it to say you have an ITR that is xyz fast or has xyz HP? If so, that's cool I guess... but why the ITR? Why not a 12 second or faster RS? What's wrong with the RS?
ya i like to drag race and this car would definetly be brought to the drag races, but i love how this car feels, it just feels like a way better handling car than a hatch or a base integra

You could sell the RS, and build the B series to decent WHP and still be up on the game.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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So why the K series again?

Brad never had major issues with his almost 240 WHP B series... I have no issues with mine either and I'm over the 200 WHP mark... there are several B-series with no issues over 200 WHP.
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