I have a 2001 Prelude SH with Eibach Pro Kit springs and Koni Sport dampers and am not sure if I should get the SH or non-SH camber kit.

Can anyone tell me which one to purchase? Remeber, it's an SH but with aftermarket suspension parts.

 

Negative camber is a good thing.

 

Maybe for auto-crossing but I'd like my tires to last a bit longer.

 

Camber doesn't wear tires, toe does. Go search Suspension forum regarding camber.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vinuneuro &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Camber doesn't wear tires, toe does. Go search Suspension forum regarding camber.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So camber doesn't wear tires? That's funny. Yes, camber wears tires unevenly. If you have negative camber your tires will wear very quickly on the inside of the tire because only a portion of your tire is actually touching the pavement. positive camber will wear on the outside.
OP: If your car is an SH and there is a different camber kit for the SH I would suggest using it. Having aftermarket springs and dampers has nothing to do with how the camber kit attaches to the car.

 

Your car is still an SH, so get the SH camber kit. I'm assuming you're talking about the adjustable ball-joint kits, which you haven't changed from stock; therefore, you still need an SH compatible kit unless you made some horrid suspension conversion to a base model

 

Thanks for the advice. It looks as though the SH has 2 ball joints so it does require a different kit regardless of suspension.

Thanks guys.

 

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So camber doesn't wear tires? That's funny. Yes, camber wears tires unevenly. If you have negative camber your tires will wear very quickly on the inside of the tire because only a portion of your tire is actually touching the pavement. positive camber will wear on the outside.
OP: If your car is an SH and there is a different camber kit for the SH I would suggest using it. Having aftermarket springs and dampers has nothing to do with how the camber kit attaches to the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1991302

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> you wont need a camber kit. just get an alignment to set the toe.

the only "debate" of camber and toe tire wear is between those who understand tires and suspension and those who dont.

negative camber isnt a significant factor in tire wear. despite the seemingly obvious connection. tires wear by the amount of slip the rubber goes through as it transitions to and from contact with the pavement as it rolls. an incorrect toe setting will cause the tire to slip more, like the car was constantly turning as the tire shifts in direction between ground contact and back. an extreme example of tire slip in the fore-aft direction is doing a burnout. the effects of tire slip to tire wear is easy to comprehend. the same thing goes on in the lateral direction when the tire is forced to "turn" or twist at every revolution.

severe camber will not affect the tire slip nearly as much as it simply is flattening out in the normal direction a tire is designed to compress with no more tire slip than a regularly rolling tire. perhaps more on one side than the other. but consider also that the sidewalls flex and for most allowable camber angles still produce a contact patch full across the tread. even then, consider that a regular tire should last 30-60 thousand miles, especially if just rolling straight.

hondas in particular those with double wishbone suspension specifically control camber angles better than other cars and is also the reason why camber really isnt in need of "correction". in fact, negative camber is a good thing and to take away from it would take away from the great handling already designed in the suspension.

when a car is lowered, the ride height changes. when the ride height changes, the camber changes. when the camber changes, the toe changes. (it doesnt work in reverse) this is designed in the double wishbone suspension for better handling in the corners as the outside tire is loaded. therefore, when the ride height changes, the toe changes. and so the toe should be fixed.

for those who just put camber kits on after lowering, and then adjust them back to positive, also adjusted the toe back. so as a result, benefited in tire wear because the toe was changed closer to where it was previously. not because the camber was changed. even with a camber kit, a full alignment is still recommended, as theres no way to really to know where the camber or alignment really is. and its nonetheless important.

the only exception to the benefit of reducing negative camber is for those interested in maximizing straight line grip, as in drag racing. then you want as straight of a contact patch as possible, or something.
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So camber doesn't wear tires? That's funny. Yes, camber wears tires unevenly. If you have negative camber your tires will wear very quickly on the inside of the tire because only a portion of your tire is actually touching the pavement. positive camber will wear on the outside.
OP: If your car is an SH and there is a different camber kit for the SH I would suggest using it. Having aftermarket springs and dampers has nothing to do with how the camber kit attaches to the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>


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to OP: I wouldn't worry about a camber kit unless you have individual camber problems, i.e. 1 wheel is at -4º and the rest are at -1.5º. And if you do, that would suggest a bigger problem.